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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">Hi Volker,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">If I can assist, no such insinuation was intended as to you, nor any entity or group in the EPDP. We know that you are of the highest moral caliber. I find this portion of the Wikipedia article
on conflict of interest to be helpful, “The existence of such conflicts is an objective fact, not a state of mind, and does not in itself indicate any lapse or moral error.” (</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest</a>)
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">All, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">The IPC has concerns based on this concept: “A conflict of interest exists if the circumstances are reasonably believed (on the basis of past experience and objective evidence) to create a
risk that a decision may be unduly influenced by other, secondary interests, and not on whether a particular individual is actually influenced by a secondary interest.” (Id.) Our past experience (</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://www.markmonitor.com/mmblog/commentary/gdpr-and-the-impact-on-brand-protection-one-year-later/">https://www.markmonitor.com/mmblog/commentary/gdpr-and-the-impact-on-brand-protection-one-year-later/</a>)
shows that registrars ignore or deny 87% of data requests we think they should have honored. So, we reasonably believe that registrars’ decision making around “reasonable access” under the Temporary Specification is being influenced by other interests.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Some registrar interests that are in conflict (objectively) with providing access are: a) operational efficiency; b) GDPR penalties; and c) future customer business. a) Operational efficiency has been addressed
by Phase 1 Recommendation 18 which requires registrars to respond, removing the conflict of operational efficiency that could be gained by ignoring requests. b) The risk of GDPR penalties cannot be avoided regardless of who makes disclosure decisions. c) The
conflict of future customer business is the biggest remaining addressable conflict. Registrars have a financial interest in future customer business, and this interest is objectively in conflict with registrars’ interest in providing information about their
customers. This conflict is largely eliminated by shifting decision making to ICANN. While registrars stand to lose customers to other registrars if the market perceives them as being too likely to reveal customer data, ICANN’s position both as a nonprofit
and as the sole coordinator of the DNS means that their ~$0.25 per domain interest is far more insulated from this conflict than the contracted parties’ interest in future customer business.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So, without attributing motivations to any party or group, we submit that the economic realities show centralized decision making to be a better approach from a conflict of interest perspective.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">Brian J. King
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Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">T +1 443 761 3726</span><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0563C1"><a href="http://www.markmonitor.com"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
</span>markmonitor.com</a></span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">MarkMonitor<br>
</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt">Protecting companies and consumers in a digital world<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:windowtext"> Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 4, 2019 7:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Draft Initial Report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hi,<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p>while I personally like Jen very much, I find this comment and the implication of a conflict of interest immensely offensive. This insiunuation of intent to profit from illicit use is frankly outrageous.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 03.12.2019 um 23:56 schrieb Jennifer Gore:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hello All, </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">In my opinion, the Registrar is the worst party to be the decision maker of the data subject due to the blatant conflict of interest. The registrant will have already entered into a legal relationship
with the registrar under the registrant (end user) agreement along with it being in the best interests of the registrar to
<u>not terminate</u> the relationship with the registrant. Therefore, I hope Milton
<u>is not saying</u> that he will hold up consensus even if the DPAs do support the isolation of centralized decision making within ICANN Org.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best regards, </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Jennifer </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Jennifer Gore </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Internet Governance</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Winterfeldt IP Group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:blue"><a href="mailto:jennifer@winterfeldt.law">jennifer@winterfeldt.law</a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">+1 202 340 9631</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-epdp-team [<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 3, 2019 1:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> King, Brian <a href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com"><Brian.King@markmonitor.com></a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Draft Initial Report</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> King, Brian <<a href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com">Brian.King@markmonitor.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>Are you saying that even if the DPB writes to the Strawberries and says
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>“yes, it’s possible to isolate liability for decision-making centrally with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>ICANN Org”, it would still be impossible for us to come to consensus on
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>the centralized decision-making model? (ignoring how (un)likely we think
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>that response is)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Yes, indeed. That is what I am saying. This is one reason we are not so pleased with all this kerfuffle about the EDPB. You’re putting the cart before the horse.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">What matters is not whether it is legally _possible_ for ICANN to magically absorb the legal responsibility of the registrars for releasing the data of their customers; what matters is whether
that is _<i>desirable</i>_ from a policy standpoint. Legal advice or “guidance” from the EDPB has no bearing on what is the right policy, it only clarifies whether one of the policy options is feasible.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">We want the disclosure decision to be made as close as possible to the party who is directly accountable to the registrant, the data subject, and that’s the registrar. We believe that the legitimate
interests of data requestors are served by standardizing the process, and centralizing and facilitating requests, but centralizing disclosure is going to make it into an automated rubber stamp, as I suspect you have already figured out.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dr. Milton L Mueller</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">School of Public Policy
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Georgia Institute of Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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