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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Just so I’m crystal clear in what you’re saying here…can you confirm this is your viewpoint?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>Trademark law is complex and nuanced, so we HAVE to automate disclosure of non-public data so that contracted parties aren’t burdened with the review of such disclosure requests?<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><o:p> </o:p></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe a real-world example would help my non-legal mind here…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Brandsight has a trademark for “Brandsight”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s say a party has registered brandsightconsulting.london<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is it your assertion that Brandsight would be entitled to automatic disclosure of non-public data
<b><i>only</i></b> on the grounds of the registered trademark being included in the domain name?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Trying to boil down the discussion to something tangible. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Matt<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"King, Brian" <Brian.King@markmonitor.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC Proposal for Day 1 Automation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Volker,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate the constructive examples. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In cases like the ones you mention, I think we should be careful about which “standard of review” is appropriate for ICANN and the SSAD to take. In the UDRP context the IP owner has to prove her 3.5 elements, but that’s not an appropriate
(or possible) standard for disclosure for the purposes of the TM owner establishing her case.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As an aside, the fact that TM law has its complexities is all the more reason not to burden contracted parties (many of whom don’t employ a trademark attorney (or any attorney), a data protection officer, etc.) with understanding and evaluating
even the level of nuance we’re discussing here. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We propose to establish sufficiently robust safeguards to ensure that disclosure is valid for the third-party purpose of establishing a legal claim. This should be possible within the parameters we’ve suggested. The law allows for Mr. Nike’s
data to be processed for the limited time required for this limited purpose, with these safeguards in place.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Brian J. King
</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> <br>
Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">T +1 443 761 3726</span><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0563C1"><a href="http://www.markmonitor.com"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:#0563C1"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 3, 2020 4:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC Proposal for Day 1 Automation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>we need to discuss this internally, but I see little chance for such an automation proposal at this stage due to issues with the request safeguards.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Trademark law is a very complex matter and does not lend itself well to automated decision making. Trademark rights are not all-encompassing. To the contary, they are limited both by geographic scope as well as by the trademark categories. The use of an
identical string outside the scope is perfectly legal, and even within the scope a legal use is usually possible.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>In your example, a Mr. Nike who is a car dealer could very well register domains that include the words cheap and Nike. If he is a shoe seller, maybe even nike.shoes could be a legitimate use of the string. Just like a Mr. Nissan who still owns Nissan.com.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So request safeguard 1 already falls short as it will usually need an independant determination of that legal question, not just a statement to that effect by the interested party.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 27.01.2020 um 21:52 schrieb King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello EPDP Team,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please find below our first proposal for automated disclosure.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Trademark Infringement in Domain Name</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Requestor Safeguards</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Accreditation Authority determines that the trademark is valid.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Accreditation Authority determines that Requestor is the legal owner, agent, or service provider of the trademark.
<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Request Safeguards</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo6">Requestor alleges that the domain name infringes Requestor’s trademark.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo6">Requestor states its own legal basis and purpose for processing the data. Requestor makes a syntactically correct and complete request, including any/all required Authorization Assertions.
Requestor makes all representations required by policy: use will be limited to stated purpose, data retention, etc.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo6">Domain string contains exact match of trademark string<span style="color:black"> (potentially including prefix or suffix, e.g. “nike-shoes.TLD” or “cheap-nike.TLD”)</span>.
<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Additional Noteworthy Safeguards</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9">Registrant committed not to infringe the rights of third parties in its registration agreement, as required by the RA and RAA.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9">Registrant was informed at the time that its data was collected that it could be processed for third-party purposes, including intellectual property protection.
<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In these cases, disclosure can be automated. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Brian J. King
</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> <br>
Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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