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<p>This is not how this works! This is not how any of this works!</p>
<p>All trademark-related requests will always have to go through a
balancing test, which is not automatable given our current
knowledge. What you are suggesting is neither legally sound nor
acceptable. <br>
</p>
<p>People have been trademarking any old word, even single letters
can be trademarked. The word sex, which is subject to dozens, if
not more, trademarks is contained in such words as Essex, Sussex,
Middlesex, etc. <br>
</p>
<p>We also have been over the concept of assertations of
infringement not being sufficient for CPs to release data on that
basis alone. <br>
</p>
<p>TM-related requests will not be automatable for the forseeable
future. <br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.02.2020 um 00:22 schrieb King,
Brian via Gnso-epdp-team:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi James,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In your example, if Facebook:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ol type="a" start="1">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10">owns
a national TM registration for FACEBOOK,<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10">validates
that TM and its proof us use with the TMCH,<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10">asserts,
under penalty of losing their SSAD access, that they allege
that the domain is infringing,
<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10">requests
data for a domain name that contains an exact match of that
same TM, and
<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10">swears/affirms
that it will only process the RDS data for the purpose of
establishing its legal claim, and for no longer than
required, then
<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal">it’s legally sound for SSAD to automate
that disclosure. There is no potential for “false hits” – the
SSAD is able to rely on these safeguards for non-exact match
domains.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also to your point, without limiting the
generality of my point above, the TMCH does allow for related
“labels” (e.g. brandplusterm).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Brian
J. King
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-GB"> <br>
Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">T +1 443
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> James M. Bladel
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"><jbladel@godaddy.com></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 3, 2020 5:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> King, Brian <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com"><Brian.King@markmonitor.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC Proposal for Day
1 Automation<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Brian and Thomas. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
I was with you until I got to the second part of #3: “…<i>prefix,
infix or suffix of the domain name</i>.”
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is exactly the sort of thing that
should be kicked out of automation in favor of human review,
as there is too much potential for false hits via string
collision. (e.g.: “facebook.TLD” and
“microsoftsurfacebook.TLD”).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The simplest and most effective automation
approach is for exact match, which is aligned with existing
systems, like the Trademark Clearinghouse.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks - <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">J.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica
Neue Light";color:black">-------------</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue
Light";color:black">James Bladel<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue
Light";color:#00B050">GoDaddy</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-epdp-team <<a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of "King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team" <<a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"King, Brian" <<a
href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Brian.King@markmonitor.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 3, 2020 at 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC Proposal for Day
1 Automation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Notice:</span><span
style="color:black">
</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">This
email is from an external sender.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Matt,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know if the below does not
answer your question(s).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">Brian
J. King
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-GB"> <br>
Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">T +1
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href="http://www.markmonitor.com"
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</span><span style="color:#0563C1">markmonitor.com</span></a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-GB">MarkMonitor<br>
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"
lang="EN-GB">Protecting companies and consumers in a
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <<a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Rickert<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 3, 2020 3:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC Proposal for
Day 1 Automation<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I truly believe we need to talk about
what we mean by automation. Reading the latest e-mails I
got the impression that we are not thinking along the same
lines. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">As I tried to outline in LA, I think
automation can work if the following parameters are met:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Requestor is a trademark owner,
which needs to be verified with the respective trademark
office.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. The trademark must be life (not just
applied for, rejected or expired).<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">3. The domain name non-public
registration data is asked for is either identical with
the trademark or the trademark is a prefix, infix or
suffix of the domain name.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Additonally, all safeguards we have
identified apply. Automation would not work for figurative
marks or where the domain name is allegedly confusingly
similar to the trademark. Such cases require manual
review. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">You might remember I said in LA that
our policies require more detail or the use cases require
more work. This is exactly what I meant. We need to be
specific in what can or must be done in certain cases. The
use cases are too broad brush, but I think we can make
progress if we continue the exchange of thoughts (as Janis
said, this would likely take place before we publish the
final report. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thomas<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 03.02.2020 um 21:12 schrieb
Margie Milam <<a href="mailto:margiemilam@fb.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">margiemilam@fb.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi-<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Trying to boil this down to
something that easier to understand. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The proposal doesn’t say that all
trademark requests by any trademark holder are to be
automated. Instead we are focusing on a smaller
subset that is defined narrowly --- those trademarks
that have already been validated in the Trademark
Clearinghouse, coupled with an assertion of agency
by the requestor for the trademark owner that has
been made to the authentication body. The
domain-name string would need to include that
trademark. The requestor would be subject to the
safeguards, and risk losing its accreditation if it
submits requests that are improper. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">A requester does not need to
prove its entire trademark infringement case to
justify disclosure of the redacted data – the data
is provided to enable the TM holder to investigate
whether it has a case it wishes to pursue. The SSAD
and contracted parties should not be imposing their
understanding of trademark law to judge the veracity
of the requestor’ rights – that’s the role of
attorneys, judges or UDRP mediators.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Margie<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#627C8E">Online
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Gnso-epdp-team <<a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Matt Serlin <<a
href="mailto:matt@brandsight.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">matt@brandsight.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday,
February 3, 2020 at 11:45 AM<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__brian.kingatmarkmonitor.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OGmtg_3SI10Cogwk-ShFiw&r=qQNCXqU_XE2XIdXbawYmk-YDflYH6pd8ffXlzxU37OA&m=gfBUjbXa92X_x_J3_1TrJsIiVaIPIOyZ1vvmz5XnQWo&s=xgxN3P8VN_KhpDSFoasma4LiKHLj6A4y0eL17qe00Rs&e="
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.kingATmarkmonitor.com</a>"
<<a href="mailto:brian.king@markmonitor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">brian.king@markmonitor.com</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
[Gnso-epdp-team] IPC Proposal for Day 1
Automation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Brian,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Just so I’m crystal clear in what
you’re saying here…can you confirm this is your
viewpoint?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>Trademark law is complex
and nuanced, so we HAVE to automate disclosure
of non-public data so that contracted parties
aren’t burdened with the review of such
disclosure requests?</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i> </i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe a real-world example would
help my non-legal mind here…<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Brandsight has a trademark for
“Brandsight”<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Let’s say a party has registered
brandsightconsulting.london<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Is it your assertion that
Brandsight would be entitled to automatic disclosure
of non-public data<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>only</i></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>on the
grounds of the registered trademark being included
in the domain name?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Trying to boil down the
discussion to something tangible. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Matt<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">Gnso-epdp-team <<a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of "King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"King,
Brian" <<a
href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Brian.King@markmonitor.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday,
February 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
[Gnso-epdp-team] IPC Proposal for Day 1
Automation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Volker,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate the constructive
examples.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In cases like the ones you
mention, I think we should be careful about which
“standard of review” is appropriate for ICANN and
the SSAD to take. In the UDRP context the IP owner
has to prove her 3.5 elements, but that’s not an
appropriate (or possible) standard for disclosure
for the purposes of the TM owner establishing her
case.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">As an aside, the fact that TM law
has its complexities is all the more reason not to
burden contracted parties (many of whom don’t employ
a trademark attorney (or any attorney), a data
protection officer, etc.) with understanding and
evaluating even the level of nuance we’re discussing
here.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We propose to establish
sufficiently robust safeguards to ensure that
disclosure is valid for the third-party purpose of
establishing a legal claim. This should be possible
within the parameters we’ve suggested. The law
allows for Mr. Nike’s data to be processed for the
limited time required for this limited purpose, with
these safeguards in place.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Brian J.
King<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB"> <br>
Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-epdp-team
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Volker
Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
February 3, 2020 4:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-epdp-team] IPC Proposal for Day 1
Automation<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Hi
Brian,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">we
need to discuss this internally, but I see little
chance for such an automation proposal at this
stage due to issues with the request safeguards.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Trademark
law is a very complex matter and does not lend
itself well to automated decision making.
Trademark rights are not all-encompassing. To the
contary, they are limited both by geographic scope
as well as by the trademark categories. The use of
an identical string outside the scope is perfectly
legal, and even within the scope a legal use is
usually possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">In
your example, a Mr. Nike who is a car dealer could
very well register domains that include the words
cheap and Nike. If he is a shoe seller, maybe even
nike.shoes could be a legitimate use of the
string. Just like a Mr. Nissan who still owns<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nissan.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=OGmtg_3SI10Cogwk-ShFiw&r=qQNCXqU_XE2XIdXbawYmk-YDflYH6pd8ffXlzxU37OA&m=gfBUjbXa92X_x_J3_1TrJsIiVaIPIOyZ1vvmz5XnQWo&s=C1ljQtXAAaY6qy1Yw0JzQS-zxEhbSksZdCk8-RD7pA4&e="
moz-do-not-send="true">Nissan.com</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">So
request safeguard 1 already falls short as it will
usually need an independant determination of that
legal question, not just a statement to that
effect by the interested party.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Volker</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am 27.01.2020 um 21:52 schrieb
King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hello EPDP Team,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please find below our first
proposal for automated disclosure.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Trademark Infringement in
Domain Name</b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Requestor Safeguards</i><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6
level1 lfo3">
Accreditation Authority determines that the
trademark is valid.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6
level1 lfo3">
Accreditation Authority determines that Requestor
is the legal owner, agent, or service provider of
the trademark.<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Request Safeguards</i><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo6">
Requestor alleges that the domain name infringes
Requestor’s trademark.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo6">
Requestor states its own legal basis and purpose
for processing the data. Requestor makes a
syntactically correct and complete request,
including any/all required Authorization
Assertions. Requestor makes all representations
required by policy: use will be limited to stated
purpose, data retention, etc.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo6">
Domain string contains exact match of trademark
string<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(potentially
including prefix or suffix, e.g. “nike-shoes.TLD”
or “cheap-nike.TLD”).<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Additional Noteworthy
Safeguards</i><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" type="1" start="1">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo9">
Registrant committed not to infringe the rights of
third parties in its registration agreement, as
required by the RA and RAA.<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l2
level1 lfo9">
Registrant was informed at the time that its data
was collected that it could be processed for
third-party purposes, including intellectual
property protection.<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">In these cases, disclosure can
be automated.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Brian J.
King<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB"> <br>
Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
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lang="EN-GB">T +1 443 761 3726</span><u><span
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</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">MarkMonitor<br>
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"
lang="EN-GB">Protecting companies and consumers
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
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Volker A. Greimann<br>
General Counsel and Policy Manager<br>
<strong style="border-bottom: 3px solid #5C46B5">KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</strong><br>
<br>
T: +49 6894 9396901<br>
M: +49 6894 9396851<br>
F: +49 6894 9396851<br>
W: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a><br>
<br>
Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of
Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>
CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br>
<br>
Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered
in England and Wales with company number 8576358.</div>
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