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<p>I disagree. For the sake of consensus, let us agree to put in the
generally agreed case for automation and refer to the others as
"there may be others down the road". Anything beyond that will
just create false expectations.<br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.02.2020 um 23:13 schrieb King,
Brian via Gnso-epdp-team:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
think I agree with Milton’s second point. If we’re
finalizing the Initial Report on Thursday (hooray!), we
shouldn’t get bogged down with a substantive discussion on
the various automatable use cases. It seems that
conversation won’t yet lead to harmonious consensus.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As
a procedural matter, we should include in the Initial Report
the various use cases we are considering automating, and to
be fair “or not automating.” I believe Mark Sv is sending an
updated version of this around shortly. I’m not the expert
on GNSO procedures that some of our colleagues are, but I
think it may be required to list these in the Initial Report
and seek public comment even if we end up rejecting them. We
could not, on the other hand, NOT list them and then publish
a final report that includes them without first publishing
an initial report that includes them. Right?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Gnso-epdp-team <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 3, 2020 4:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Janis Karklins <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com"><karklinsj@gmail.com></a>;
Caitlin Tubergen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org"><caitlin.tubergen@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues
sheet"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Two
responses:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo2">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There
are many things that you may think were “agreements in LA”
that were not agreements but agreements to disagree<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo2">
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
we are merely finalizing the initial report then the
current debate about which uses cases can be automated is
out of bounds Thursday.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">MM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Janis Karklins <<a href="mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">karklinsj@gmail.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 3, 2020 3:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Caitlin Tubergen <<a
href="mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">caitlin.tubergen@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mueller, Milton L <<a
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues
sheet"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Team members,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Pls approach this exercise as a proof
reading of the Initial Report rather than attempt to
re-open agreements of LA. In remaining few hours we will
not be able to re-negotiate sometimes delicate compromises
that we coined during hours and hours of collective and
small groups conversations. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Another thing is to engage in
discussions of real cases for possible automated
disclosure that we didn't have a chance to discuss in
details in LA. Hope that current debate is contributing to
a solution that we can endorse on Thursday. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for understanding<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">JK<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:12 PM Caitlin
Tubergen <<a href="mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">caitlin.tubergen@icann.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Milton
and Team:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
agenda message had three attachments:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">1.
an issues list, where groups may populate items within
the report that they cannot live with,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">2.
a red-lined word doc that does not contain line
numbers, but shows the updates made as a result of
agreements reached during the F2F, and
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">3.
a clean PDF with line numbers.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You
may view the line numbers via the PDF.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank
you.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Marika,
Berry, and Caitlin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black">Gnso-epdp-team
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of "Mueller, Milton L" <<a
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 3, 2020 at 11:49 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a
href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-epdp-team] About the
"Issues sheet"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Caitlin,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
issues sheet asks for “line numbers” to help specify
where the text we are concerned about is. However, in
the Word document with the draft report, I do not see
any line numbers.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Am
I looking at the wrong thing? Should I see them on the
draft, or should I use other indicators, such as
section X.Y, bullet point 3, line 2, for example?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dr.
Milton L Mueller<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">School
of Public Policy
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Georgia
Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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