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<body lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72">My understanding is that under the new P/P policy, an accredited P/P service has an agreement with ICANN and it is THEIR contractual obligation, not the registrar. The meaningfulness of an affiliated P/P service disappears once the new accreditation process is operational.<br><br>Alan<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On July 28, 2020 10:20:38 AM EDT, "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal">If they aren’t “affiliated” then we can’t accept any contractual obligations on their behalf. And if they aren’t “accredited” then they shouldn’t be offering privacy services. So leaving the sentence with “and” ensures that we are both
authorized (accredited) and capable (accredited) of meeting the requirement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Note: I can’t help feeling like we are polishing the chrome on the Titanic here. Privacy services are becoming less relevant (and less attractive to customers) as the year progresses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">J.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"Kapin, Laureen" <LKAPIN@ftc.gov><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 5:53 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Rec. 19 (time sensitive)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#EBEBEB"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Notice:</span><span style="color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">This email is from an external sender.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">I welcome input from my Registrar colleagues on this issue re: the first sentence of Rec. 19.1 (</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“In
the case of a domain name registration where an <i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">affiliated and</span>
</i>accredited privacy/proxy service is used. . .”)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">GAC Note: Should this be
<i>“or”</i> or <i>“and/or”</i>?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">“In the case of a domain name registration where an affiliated
<span style="background:yellow">‘or’</span> accredited privacy proxy service is used?”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">My understanding is that no P/P providers will actually be “accredited” until the implementation of the PPSAI Policy Recommendations. Having suggested this revision,
I want to make sure we’ve gotten it right. </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">Laureen Kapin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">Counsel for International Consumer Protection</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">Federal Trade Commission</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">(202) 326-3237
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 27, 2020 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-epdp-team] FW: Rec. 19 (time sensitive)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">Hi folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060"> I’m forwarding proposed changes to Rec. 19 (Privacy Proxy) that the Rgr’s, Rgy’s (deferring to Rgr’s) and GAC have agreed to. As you’ll see below, we think these
edits will improve the clarity of the Recommendation 19. For convenience, more context is provided in this email chain and I’m also including the revised text (changes highlighted) here below. I’m happy to answer any questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Proposed Revised text of Rec. 19:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation #19 Display of information of affiliated
<i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">and accredited</span></i> privacy/proxy providers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.1 In the case of a domain name registration where an
<i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">affiliated and</span> </i>
accredited privacy/proxy service is used, e.g., where data associated with a natural person is masked,<span style="color:#002060">
</span>Registrar (and Registry, where applicable) MUST include the full RDDS data of the
<s>accredited</s> <i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">applicable</span>
</i>privacy/proxy service in response to an RDDS query. The full privacy/proxy RDDS data may also include a pseudonymized email.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Implementation notes:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.2 Once ICANN org has implemented a privacy/proxy service accreditation program, this
<i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">R</span></i>ecommendation
<i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">19</span> </i>once in effect
<i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">will</span> </i>replace<s><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">s</span></s> or otherwise supersede<s><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">s</span></s> EPDP phase 1 recommendation
#14.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.3 The intent of this recommendation is to provide clear instruction to registrars (and registries where applicable) that where a domain registration is done via
<i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">an affiliated or</span> </i>
accredited privacy/proxy provider, that data MUST NOT also be redacted. The working group is intending that domain registration data should MUST NOT be both redacted and privacy/proxied.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">Laureen Kapin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">Counsel for International Consumer Protection</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">Federal Trade Commission</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">(202) 326-3237
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Kapin, Laureen <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 27, 2020 10:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com>; swyld@tucows.com; 'alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca' <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>; King, Brian (Brian.King@markmonitor.com) <Brian.King@markmonitor.com>; Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk; Anderson, Marc (mcanderson@verisign.com)
<mcanderson@verisign.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>; Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Rec. 19 (time sensitive)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Rec. 19 seems like something we may be able to clarify and agree upon prior to submitting our consensus designations. I think the current wording of Rec. 19 is not clear in
these ways:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The inconsistency between the title of the Rec. and the content (title references “affiliated” and content references
“accredited”)</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The open question of its applicability to both affiliated and accredited Privacy Proxy Service Providers</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The indefinite “this” reference</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This seems like something we should sort out before going to final publication. To that end, I’m proposing some clarifying revisions below. For context, I also include
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">the Category 2 comment by the GAC, joined by ALAC and BC and objected to by the Registrars and Registries;</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">the original Rec. 19 text</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I welcome your input and hope we can resolve and improve this recommendation. Doing so will affect the GAC’s Consensus designations, so please let us know whether this is something
we can resolve sooner rather than later. Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Rec. 19 Privacy/Proxy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Clarify ambiguity -- the phrase “once in effect” seems unclear and unnecessary. Also, does this language mean that Rec. 19 only goes into effect once the PPSAI implementation is complete? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Delete “once in effect” from the following: “Once ICANN org has implemented a privacy/proxy service accreditation program, this recommendation ‘once in effect’ replaces or otherwise supersedes
EPDP phase 1 recommendation #14.” Also clarify timing of when this Rec. comes into play.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">RrSG: Disagree with change. Recommendation 19 cannot possibly come into effect until after PPSAI is live, as Rec 19 relies on the existence of accredited P/P providers (which will not exist until
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">ALAC: Title of Rec #19 still refers to AFFILIATED P/P providers, but the text of the first paragraph refers to accredited P/P services. Surely the intent of this Rec if to cover Affiliated P/P
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Proposed Revised text of Rec. 19:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation #19 Display of information of affiliated
<i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">and accredited</span></i> privacy/proxy providers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.1 In the case of a domain name registration where an
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accredited privacy/proxy service is used, e.g., where data associated with a natural person is masked,Registrar (and Registry, where applicable) MUST include the full RDDS data of the
<s>accredited</s> <i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">applicable</span>
</i>privacy/proxy service in response to an RDDS query. The full privacy/proxy RDDS data may also include a pseudonymized email.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.2 Once ICANN org has implemented a privacy/proxy service accreditation program, this
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<i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">19</span> </i>once in effect
<i><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">will</span> </i>replace<s><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">s</span></s> or otherwise supersede<s><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">s</span></s> EPDP phase 1 recommendation
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.3 The intent of this recommendation is to provide clear instruction to registrars (and registries where applicable) that where a domain registration is done via
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accredited privacy/proxy provider, that data MUST NOT also be redacted. The working group is intending that domain registration data should MUST NOT be both redacted and privacy/proxied.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:#5800B0">Laureen Kapin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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