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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">Might we come to agreement on this issue so that we can achieve consensus?  How about if we use “and/or”? Consensus designations are due today.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">I welcome input from my Registrar colleagues on this issue re: the first sentence of Rec. 19.1 (</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“In  
 the case of a domain name registration where an <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">affiliated and</span>
</i>accredited privacy/proxy service is used. . .”)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">GAC Note:  Should this be
<i>“or”</i> or <i>“and/or”</i>?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">“In the case of a domain name registration where an affiliated
<span style="background:yellow">‘or’</span> accredited privacy proxy service is used?”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">My understanding is that no P/P providers will actually be “accredited” until the implementation of
 the PPSAI Policy Recommendations.  Having suggested this revision, I want to make sure we’ve gotten it right. 
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5800B0">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5800B0">Laureen Kapin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5800B0">Counsel for International Consumer Protection<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5800B0">Federal Trade Commission<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#5800B0">(202) 326-3237
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rafik Dammak<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Rec. 19 (time sensitive)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thanks for this discussion, we are already reaching the deadline to send input for consensus designation and we need to make clear what the last version of the language to be added in the report for:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- recommendation #7<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- recommendation #19<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">so I would like to confirm the positions of RrSG and RySG representatives in particular regarding those 2 recommendations . That will help groups for their consensus designation input and for editing the language in the final report. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rafik<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le mer. 29 juil. 2020 à 00:35, Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">D/n intend to raise a ruckus here – just to make sure we’ve got this right for as long as PP services are around.  Rec. 19 says:
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“Registrar (and Registry, where applicable) MUST include the full RDDS data of the accredited privacy/proxy service in response to an RDDS query.” 
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">So this is an obligation of the Registrar (and if applicable, the Registry) no?  Or am I missing something? 
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>; Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Rec. 19 (time sensitive)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi guys,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think you might be off track. This recommendation covers the registrar’s obligation to publish the full/unredacted data.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(if the data is that of an accredited P/P provider)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Brian J. King</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><br>
<span style="color:black">Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">T +1 443 761 3726</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0563C1"><a href="http://clarivate.com" target="_blank">clarivate.com</a></span></u><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 28, 2020 10:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Rec. 19 (time sensitive)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I agree with Alan here. Let's not turn third party obligations into registrar obligations. If something is an obligation of a p/p service provider, it does not need to also be a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:35 PM Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">My understanding is that under the new P/P policy, an accredited P/P service has an agreement with ICANN and it is THEIR contractual obligation, not the registrar. The meaningfulness
 of an affiliated P/P service disappears once the new accreditation process is operational.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On July 28, 2020 10:20:38 AM EDT, "James M. Bladel" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If they aren’t “affiliated” then we can’t accept any contractual obligations on their behalf. And if they aren’t “accredited” then they shouldn’t be offering privacy services. 
 So leaving the sentence with “and” ensures that we are both authorized (accredited) and capable (accredited) of meeting the requirement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Note:  I can’t help feeling like we are polishing the chrome on the Titanic here.  Privacy services are becoming less relevant (and less attractive to customers) as the year progresses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black">Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of "Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"Kapin, Laureen" <<a href="mailto:LKAPIN@ftc.gov" target="_blank">LKAPIN@ftc.gov</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 5:53 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Rec. 19 (time sensitive)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Notice:</span><span style="color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">This email is from an external sender.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">I welcome input from my Registrar colleagues on this issue re: the first sentence of Rec. 19.1 (</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“In  
 the case of a domain name registration where an <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">affiliated and</span>
</i>accredited privacy/proxy service is used. . .”)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">GAC Note:  Should this be
<i>“or”</i> or <i>“and/or”</i>?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">“In the case of a domain name registration where an affiliated
<span style="background:yellow">‘or’</span> accredited privacy proxy service is used?”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">My understanding is that no P/P providers will actually be “accredited” until the implementation of
 the PPSAI Policy Recommendations.  Having suggested this revision, I want to make sure we’ve gotten it right. 
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 27, 2020 3:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-epdp-team] FW: Rec. 19 (time sensitive)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">Hi folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">  I’m forwarding proposed changes to Rec. 19 (Privacy Proxy) that the Rgr’s, Rgy’s (deferring to Rgr’s)
 and GAC have agreed to.  As you’ll see below, we think these edits will improve the clarity of the Recommendation 19.  For convenience, more context is provided in this email chain and I’m also including the revised text (changes highlighted) here below. 
 I’m happy to answer any questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002060">   </span><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Proposed Revised text of Rec.
 19:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation #19  Display of information of affiliated
<i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">and accredited</span></i> privacy/proxy providers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.1  In   the case of a domain name registration where an
<i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">affiliated and</span> </i>accredited privacy/proxy service is used, e.g., where data associated with a natural person is masked,<span style="color:#002060">
</span>Registrar (and Registry, where applicable) MUST include the full RDDS data of the
<s>accredited</s> <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">applicable</span>
</i>privacy/proxy service in response to an RDDS query. The full privacy/proxy RDDS data may also include a pseudonymized email.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Implementation notes:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.2 Once ICANN org has implemented a privacy/proxy service accreditation program, this
<i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">R</span></i>ecommendation <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">19</span>
</i>once in effect <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">will</span> </i>
replace<s><span style="color:black;background:yellow">s</span></s> or otherwise supersede<s><span style="color:black;background:yellow">s</span></s> EPDP phase 1 recommendation #14.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.3 The intent of this recommendation is to provide clear instruction to registrars (and registries where applicable)
 that where a domain registration is done via <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">an affiliated or</span>
</i>accredited privacy/proxy provider, that data MUST NOT also be redacted. The working group is intending that domain registration data should MUST NOT be both redacted and privacy/proxied.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Kapin, Laureen
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 27, 2020 10:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> James M. Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:swyld@tucows.com" target="_blank">swyld@tucows.com</a>; '<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>' <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>; King,
 Brian (<a href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com" target="_blank">Brian.King@markmonitor.com</a>) <<a href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com" target="_blank">Brian.King@markmonitor.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk" target="_blank">Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk</a>; Anderson, Marc (<a href="mailto:mcanderson@verisign.com" target="_blank">mcanderson@verisign.com</a>) <<a href="mailto:mcanderson@verisign.com" target="_blank">mcanderson@verisign.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>; Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Rec. 19 (time sensitive)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">  Rec. 19 seems like something we may be able to clarify and agree upon prior to submitting our consensus designations. 
 I think the current wording of Rec. 19 is not clear in these ways:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1.<span style="font-size:7.0pt">       </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The inconsistency between the title of the Rec. and the content (title references “affiliated” and content references “accredited”)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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2.<span style="font-size:7.0pt">       </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The open question of its applicability to both affiliated and accredited Privacy Proxy Service Providers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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3.<span style="font-size:7.0pt">       </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The indefinite “this” reference</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This seems like something we should sort out before going to final publication.  To that end, I’m proposing some clarifying
 revisions below.  For context, I also include </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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1.<span style="font-size:7.0pt">       </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">the Category 2 comment by the GAC, joined by ALAC and BC and objected to by the Registrars and Registries;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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2.<span style="font-size:7.0pt">       </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">the original Rec. 19 text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I welcome your input and hope we can resolve and improve this recommendation.  Doing so will affect the GAC’s Consensus
 designations, so please let us know whether this is something we can resolve sooner rather than later.  Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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131.<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span style="color:black">GAC / BC /ALAC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Rec. 19 Privacy/Proxy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">2041-42</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Display of information of affiliated privacy / proxy providers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Clarify ambiguity -- the phrase “once in effect” seems unclear and unnecessary.  Also, does this language mean that Rec. 19 only goes into effect once
 the PPSAI implementation is complete?  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Delete “once in effect” from the following: “Once ICANN org has implemented a privacy/proxy service accreditation program, this recommendation ‘once in
 effect’ replaces or otherwise supersedes EPDP phase 1 recommendation #14.”  Also clarify timing of when this Rec. comes into play.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">RrSG: Disagree with change. Recommendation 19 cannot possibly come into effect until after PPSAI is live, as Rec 19 relies on the existence of accredited
 P/P providers (which will not exist until after PPSAI is live). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">ALAC: Title of Rec #19 still refers to AFFILIATED P/P providers, but the text of the first paragraph refers to accredited P/P services.  Surely the intent
 of this Rec if to cover Affiliated P/P services now and Accredited ones once they exist.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">RySG: Do Not Support</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Current language Rec. 19:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Recommendation #19  Display of information of affiliated
<i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">and accredited</span></i> privacy/proxy providers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.1  In   the case of a domain name registration where an
<i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">affiliated and</span> </i>accredited privacy/proxy service is used, e.g., where data associated with a natural person is masked,Registrar (and Registry, where applicable) MUST include the full RDDS data of the
<s>accredited</s> <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">applicable</span>
</i>privacy/proxy service in response to an RDDS query. The full privacy/proxy RDDS data may also include a pseudonymized email.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.2 Once ICANN org has implemented a privacy/proxy service accreditation program, this
<i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">R</span></i>ecommendation <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">19</span>
</i>once in effect <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">will</span> </i>
replace<s><span style="color:black;background:yellow">s</span></s> or otherwise supersede<s><span style="color:black;background:yellow">s</span></s> EPDP phase 1 recommendation #14.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19.3 The intent of this recommendation is to provide clear instruction to registrars (and registries where applicable)
 that where a domain registration is done via <i><span style="color:black;background:yellow">an affiliated or</span>
</i>accredited privacy/proxy provider, that data MUST NOT also be redacted. The working group is intending that domain registration data should MUST NOT be both redacted and privacy/proxied.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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