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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear EPDP Team,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find below the notes and action items from today’s meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As a reminder, the next plenary meeting will be Thursday, 11 March at 14:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Berry, Marika, and Caitlin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Action Items</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Please remember to check for action items using the team’s Workplan and Action Items sheet: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qLMYb3HC7qGYPQveXbUq5ZSzvedrQ3t8AdVdrRIdrw/edit#gid=0" title="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qLMYb3HC7qGYPQveXbUq5ZSzvedrQ3t8AdVdrRIdrw/edit#gid=0"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qLMYb3HC7qGYPQveXbUq5ZSzvedrQ3t8AdVdrRIdrw/edit#gid=0</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">EPDP Phase 2A - Meeting #09</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Proposed Agenda</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Thursday 4 March 2021 at 14.00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Roll Call & SOI Updates (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Welcome & Chair updates (Chair) (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Upcoming update to GNSO Council on status of progress (24 March 2021)<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Keith has an obligation to report back to the GNSO Council on the status of the group’s progress. Three weeks from now, Keith has to provide a report to the Council. The work over the next few
 weeks is critical – to demonstrate to the Council that progress is being made, and that there is a path to consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Reminder to please do homework – it’s critical for the group’s progress. It’s imperative that the team picks up the pace.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thoughts from Philippe (GNSO Council liaison): in capacity as liaison to Council, reiterate Keith’s previous points. Council meeting is scheduled for 24 March. A case will need to be made to Council
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">EPDP feedback: concerned that legal advice will still be outstanding when an update needs to be made.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If legal questions are agreed to and submitted, this would help the case, but this has not happened yet. Need to demonstrate to the Council that the group is on track to deliver an Initial Report
 by.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Suggest that the team plow ahead with the work and incorporate the legal advice into the evolution of the SSAD<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Keith has an obligation to deliver an update to the Council that the group is on track to deliver an Initial Report by May. Council will be looking at this with a critical eye as the manager of
 the PDP process. Submitting legal questions and demonstrating progress by this group will be critical.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hope Council will look at if the group is making progress to develop a policy, rather than on track for a specific and arbitrary date<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">PDP 3.0 guidelines – any group has to commit to a plan following a cursory review of its charter. B/c the group started slower than anticipated, leadership made a decision to commit to delivery
 of an Initial Report by the end of May. This is an analysis based on the amount of work in front of us.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ICANN org response to EPDP Team questions (see
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/I4GBCQ">https://community.icann.org/x/I4GBCQ</a>):<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">ICANN org liability in the context of distinguishing between legal / natural             persons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please note ICANN org has provided responses to the two questions over the       list; they are now posted on the wiki.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Legal vs. natural</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> (75 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Whether any updates are required to the EPDP Phase 1 recommendation on this topic (“Registrars and Registry Operators are permitted to differentiate between registrations of legal and
 natural persons, but are not obligated to do so“); </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3;background:white;border:none;padding:0in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">What guidance, if any, can be provided to Registrars and/or Registries who differentiate between registrations of legal and natural persons.
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Update from Legal Committee in relation to questions referred to legal committee on legal / natural (Becky)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Team made significant process during the two repurposed calls<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Legal Team has discussed all questions on both topics
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Bulk of legal v. natural questions are out for final sign-off by Friday
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The remaining legal v. natural questions will hopefully be completed over email.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Aim is to finish up the work on Tuesday – call is extended to 90 minutes. If everyone does their homework, reviews all questions, and works online – should be in a position to finish on Tuesday.
 Again, this requires everyone to do their homework. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Follow up questions to Jamboard brainstorming – Proposal 1a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Review responses to leadership follow up questions to input provided on JamBoard (see
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Je23419t1xv7OFgD32-DmBrYknUqtbOt4wktPEj3pko/edit">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Je23419t1xv7OFgD32-DmBrYknUqtbOt4wktPEj3pko/edit</a>)
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">EPDP Team to discuss and confirm updates to be made to proposal 1a<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Does the flowchart assist?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">BC: yes, but if steps are combined in the user experience, there would need to be a wireframe webpage in order to determine if this saves a step in the user experience<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">BC: agree that the concern was addressed in previous recommendations but in terms of how to design a webpage, have to mention it for completeness<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If Rrs or Rys today are differentiating today or might in the future, what are the possibilities for doing this that could become best practices or recommendations for the group to consider?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is this trip necessary? Yes, if you are going to differentiate, but that is not accepted by many in this group. As you can see by the diagram, it is very complicated. This doesn’t appear to have
 any benefit on the public and private interest. If we agree with the original recommendation that it’s a choice, delving into the specific process for which they do so is a waste of this group’s time.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Charter notes what types of practices could be developed for CPs that want to differentiate or may be required to differentiate in certain jx<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best practices is not the deliverable here – it is just one step on the journey<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Several team members are trying to engage in one-on-one conversations with stakeholder representatives to get a more realistic perspective of what the real-world business consequences of differentiation
 are. We are open to listening and figuring out your concerns – want to make sure your customer relationships are preserved. Aware that reseller model is different than a retail registrar. There could be a path forward here and want to work together to create
 this path. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Urge that we move away from flowcharts and try to arrive at a result that shows what to do and why to do it
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As it relates to the charter for this group, we are to review best practices. Do the Phase 1 recs that are consensus policy need to be adjusted? This does not presuppose that consensus will be
 achieved. Once we get through the best practices – based on this, should the recommendation change?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Caution that a one-size-fits-all model actually only fits one. Suggest starting with the GDPR principles and how to achieve each of those principles if you want to differentiate. Current consensus
 policy, which is flexible and allows the registrar to choose, is appropriate. Guidance does not mean the policy should be changed.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tried to address some of these expressed concerns in the proposal. One concern raised was to consider the nature of personal data, not just legal v. natural data. Another concern was some models
 (like reseller) cannot take steps before registration, so tried to make this flexible.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Should first look at why the Phase 1 recommendation needs to be changed.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As we look towards the outcomes of this group – do we need to make adjustments to Phase 1 recommendations, and are there implications to Phase 2 recommendations? We approached this as a group –
 what could be possible – what are the potential best practices, but we will eventually have to move to how to clarify how existing policy should be changed (if at all).
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We are not being told – rather than look at ways it could be possible,  now we are being told we need to look at if group members want to make it possible.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There is still work to be done regarding whether adjustments to consensus policy are needed or required. At the end of this process, is there a path to consensus on changing Phase 1 recommendations.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Perhaps steps 2 and 3 could be collapsed (l v. n and whether personal data) could be asked in the same sentence.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Asking someone if they are a legal or natural person is very confusing to most people, particularly with language differences. If a registrar can come up with a safe way of doing this, then the
 existing consensus recommendation says they can do this. Flagging people is a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Confusing the registrant has already been covered; there are safeguards in place in the GAC proposal. To be clear, this is about adding a binary flag to categorize the registrant as either legal
 or natural and that comes with benefits for policy choices. This is just considered to be a useful distinction as part of a broader proposal.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Work with UE designers and making sure that choices presented to users are clear is very important – regarding the flag, if the purpose of the flag is for how data should be handled, that is already
 a requirement.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Flag or not, registrar should have a way of identifying if data should be published or not; how they do this should be up to them. Ultimately, we are looking at a registrant making a declaration
 – no personal data, therefore publication could be OK. It could be the same declaration for someone with PII who wants their info published. The differentiation of legal v. natural is unnecessary here. We do not need to ask the legal v. natural question. The
 ultimate question is – is there consent to publish this info. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The benefit of formally defining a flag is that it is standardized and can go into escrow if we want it to. The question is – do we want a flag for legal v. natural, we want a standardized flag
 so that it’s usable is appropriate. How we set it and if we set is question for later, but having the flag would be helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Yes, we have a flag, but the legal committee has been discussing this consent issue. The CP is relying on an attestation that there is consent to publish. This is a difficult question – large companies
 represented here may be able to assure themselves in most cases but others may not have a clue.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Consent relates to personal data. In the comments on the proposal, some argued that legal v. natural is difficult and there are language and educational barriers. However the bar is much higher
 for consent under GDPR. Consent should be the last resort b/c the bar to prove that you have valid consent is very high. If someone believes the language is not simple enough for legal v. natural, how can it be valid enough for someone to provide informed
 consent? The distinction b/w legal v. natural is a valuable distinction in many data protection regimes. Maybe a way to do this if CPs would want to propose ways they could differentiate.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">See <a href="https://jamboard.google.com/d/1H3CDUTITCfgcS85WMjlvyLV07cb7_V7ksFz8lVjExPg/viewer">
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Berry circulated a thought experiment yesterday.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This thought experiment tries to encapsulate a lot of what we spoke about in today’s meeting and before. What is important is that in this is a thought experiment, nothing will happen tomorrow,
 but, a few years down the road, it may become a requirement to differentiate between legal and natural persons. This thought experiment asks the group to consider what would happen if this was a requirement. Let’s first approach this by what is already in
 the pipeline to be implemented. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rec. 6 – touched on this – basically about Rrs providing ability for RNH “consent” to have their info published. Some have already implemented this; others will wait for this requirement to be
 implemented. This is indirectly related to legal v. natural. How are CPs actually going to implement this and obtain consent? Example – domain investor may wish to have their info published – what would this look like?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rec. 12 – this is a Phase 1 rec about the Org field.  The second half of the recommendation notes requirements for new registrations beginning on a date certain. On a date certain, registrars have
 to allow registrants to publish the org field. How does that impact the registration process – how will this be implemented?
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rec. 17 – which is the ability for CPs to differentiate b/w legal and natural persons  should they choose to. Are some CPs going to do this – what about brand protection models? If so, how are
 they going to go about doing this?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Phase 2 – recognizing that only the Council has adopted the Phase 2 recommendations – liability risks. Footnote 39 – there is a requirement for a legal risk fund. Could this group build on this
 particular concept? <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There are a series of questions here and the group should have a frank discussion on all of these.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So much of what we’re talking about ties back to Phase 1 and Phase 2<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Should not be making consensus policy based on a theoretical law. We are close to agreement that do we want to publish the data or not – and are we giving people a clear path to publishing, if
 they’d like to publish it. <u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It seems clear that the NCSG wants to leave this as a consent-based discretion. This is not what we’re here to do – we are here to relitigate the legal v. natural distinction.<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please try to keep this from becoming personal.<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We have a consensus policy – the question before us is do we need to adjust the consensus policy.<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The whole time the NCSG has been arguing, there has been law. The fundamental question to be asked here – are you consenting to the release of personal information here/can you consent to the release
 of personal information here. <u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Consent relates to personal data. If there is a registrant providing personal and non-personal data, and they do not consent  – do you also not publish the non-personal information? The distinction
 is inevitable and serves a purpose. <u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li></ul>
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