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<p>Could someone please forward the link for the meeting ? Thanks!</p>
<p>Stephanie<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-03-04 2:54 p.m., Caitlin
Tubergen via Gnso-epdp-team wrote:<br>
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<strong><span style="color: #c75000;">EXTERNAL EMAIL:</span></strong></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear EPDP
Team,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please
find below the notes and action items from today’s
meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As a
reminder, the next plenary meeting will be Thursday, 11
March at 14:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Berry,
Marika, and Caitlin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Action Items</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Please remember
to check for action items using the team’s Workplan and
Action Items sheet: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qLMYb3HC7qGYPQveXbUq5ZSzvedrQ3t8AdVdrRIdrw/edit#gid=0" title="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qLMYb3HC7qGYPQveXbUq5ZSzvedrQ3t8AdVdrRIdrw/edit#gid=0" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17qLMYb3HC7qGYPQveXbUq5ZSzvedrQ3t8AdVdrRIdrw/edit#gid=0</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">EPDP Phase 2A -
Meeting #09</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Proposed Agenda</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Thursday 4 March 2021
at 14.00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Roll
Call & SOI Updates (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Welcome
& Chair updates (Chair) (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Upcoming
update to GNSO Council on status of progress (24 March
2021)<o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Keith
has an obligation to report back to the GNSO
Council on the status of the group’s progress.
Three weeks from now, Keith has to provide a
report to the Council. The work over the next
few weeks is critical – to demonstrate to the
Council that progress is being made, and that
there is a path to consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Reminder
to please do homework – it’s critical for the
group’s progress. It’s imperative that the team
picks up the pace.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thoughts
from Philippe (GNSO Council liaison): in
capacity as liaison to Council, reiterate
Keith’s previous points. Council meeting is
scheduled for 24 March. A case will need to be
made to Council by this time.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">EPDP
feedback: concerned that legal advice will still
be outstanding when an update needs to be made.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
legal questions are agreed to and submitted,
this would help the case, but this has not
happened yet. Need to demonstrate to the Council
that the group is on track to deliver an Initial
Report by.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Suggest
that the team plow ahead with the work and
incorporate the legal advice into the evolution
of the SSAD<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Keith
has an obligation to deliver an update to the
Council that the group is on track to deliver an
Initial Report by May. Council will be looking
at this with a critical eye as the manager of
the PDP process. Submitting legal questions and
demonstrating progress by this group will be
critical.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hope
Council will look at if the group is making
progress to develop a policy, rather than on
track for a specific and arbitrary date<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">PDP
3.0 guidelines – any group has to commit to a
plan following a cursory review of its charter.
B/c the group started slower than anticipated,
leadership made a decision to commit to delivery
of an Initial Report by the end of May. This is
an analysis based on the amount of work in front
of us.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ICANN
org response to EPDP Team questions (see
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/I4GBCQ" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/x/I4GBCQ</a>):<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Status
of implementation rec 6/13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">ICANN
org liability in the context of distinguishing between
legal / natural persons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please
note ICANN org has provided responses to the two questions
over the list; they are now posted on the wiki.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Legal
vs. natural</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
(75 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Whether
any updates are required to the EPDP Phase 1
recommendation on this topic (“Registrars and Registry
Operators are permitted to differentiate between
registrations of legal and natural persons, but are
not obligated to do so“); </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">What
guidance, if any, can be provided to Registrars and/or
Registries who differentiate between registrations of
legal and natural persons.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Update
from Legal Committee in relation to questions referred to
legal committee on legal / natural (Becky)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Team
made significant process during the two repurposed
calls<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Legal
Team has discussed all questions on both topics
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Bulk
of legal v. natural questions are out for final
sign-off by Friday
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
remaining legal v. natural questions will
hopefully be completed over email.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Aim
is to finish up the work on Tuesday – call is
extended to 90 minutes. If everyone does their
homework, reviews all questions, and works online
– should be in a position to finish on Tuesday.
Again, this requires everyone to do their
homework. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Follow
up questions to Jamboard brainstorming – Proposal 1a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Review
responses to leadership follow up questions to input
provided on JamBoard (see
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Je23419t1xv7OFgD32-DmBrYknUqtbOt4wktPEj3pko/edit" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Je23419t1xv7OFgD32-DmBrYknUqtbOt4wktPEj3pko/edit</a>)
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">EPDP
Team to discuss and confirm updates to be made to
proposal 1a<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Does
the flowchart assist?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">BC:
yes, but if steps are combined in the user
experience, there would need to be a wireframe
webpage in order to determine if this saves a step
in the user experience<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">BC:
agree that the concern was addressed in previous
recommendations but in terms of how to design a
webpage, have to mention it for completeness<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If
Rrs or Rys today are differentiating today or
might in the future, what are the possibilities
for doing this that could become best practices or
recommendations for the group to consider?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is
this trip necessary? Yes, if you are going to
differentiate, but that is not accepted by many in
this group. As you can see by the diagram, it is
very complicated. This doesn’t appear to have any
benefit on the public and private interest. If we
agree with the original recommendation that it’s a
choice, delving into the specific process for
which they do so is a waste of this group’s time.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Charter
notes what types of practices could be developed
for CPs that want to differentiate or may be
required to differentiate in certain jx<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best
practices is not the deliverable here – it is just
one step on the journey<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Several
team members are trying to engage in one-on-one
conversations with stakeholder representatives to
get a more realistic perspective of what the
real-world business consequences of
differentiation are. We are open to listening and
figuring out your concerns – want to make sure
your customer relationships are preserved. Aware
that reseller model is different than a retail
registrar. There could be a path forward here and
want to work together to create this path. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Urge
that we move away from flowcharts and try to
arrive at a result that shows what to do and why
to do it
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As
it relates to the charter for this group, we are
to review best practices. Do the Phase 1 recs that
are consensus policy need to be adjusted? This
does not presuppose that consensus will be
achieved. Once we get through the best practices –
based on this, should the recommendation change?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Caution
that a one-size-fits-all model actually only fits
one. Suggest starting with the GDPR principles and
how to achieve each of those principles if you
want to differentiate. Current consensus policy,
which is flexible and allows the registrar to
choose, is appropriate. Guidance does not mean the
policy should be changed.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tried
to address some of these expressed concerns in the
proposal. One concern raised was to consider the
nature of personal data, not just legal v. natural
data. Another concern was some models (like
reseller) cannot take steps before registration,
so tried to make this flexible.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Should
first look at why the Phase 1 recommendation needs
to be changed.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As
we look towards the outcomes of this group – do we
need to make adjustments to Phase 1
recommendations, and are there implications to
Phase 2 recommendations? We approached this as a
group – what could be possible – what are the
potential best practices, but we will eventually
have to move to how to clarify how existing policy
should be changed (if at all).
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We
are not being told – rather than look at ways it
could be possible, now we are being told we need
to look at if group members want to make it
possible.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There
is still work to be done regarding whether
adjustments to consensus policy are needed or
required. At the end of this process, is there a
path to consensus on changing Phase 1
recommendations.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Perhaps
steps 2 and 3 could be collapsed (l v. n and
whether personal data) could be asked in the same
sentence.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Asking
someone if they are a legal or natural person is
very confusing to most people, particularly with
language differences. If a registrar can come up
with a safe way of doing this, then the existing
consensus recommendation says they can do this.
Flagging people is a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Confusing
the registrant has already been covered; there are
safeguards in place in the GAC proposal. To be
clear, this is about adding a binary flag to
categorize the registrant as either legal or
natural and that comes with benefits for policy
choices. This is just considered to be a useful
distinction as part of a broader proposal.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Work
with UE designers and making sure that choices
presented to users are clear is very important –
regarding the flag, if the purpose of the flag is
for how data should be handled, that is already a
requirement.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Flag
or not, registrar should have a way of identifying
if data should be published or not; how they do
this should be up to them. Ultimately, we are
looking at a registrant making a declaration – no
personal data, therefore publication could be OK.
It could be the same declaration for someone with
PII who wants their info published. The
differentiation of legal v. natural is unnecessary
here. We do not need to ask the legal v. natural
question. The ultimate question is – is there
consent to publish this info. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
benefit of formally defining a flag is that it is
standardized and can go into escrow if we want it
to. The question is – do we want a flag for legal
v. natural, we want a standardized flag so that
it’s usable is appropriate. How we set it and if
we set is question for later, but having the flag
would be helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Yes,
we have a flag, but the legal committee has been
discussing this consent issue. The CP is relying
on an attestation that there is consent to
publish. This is a difficult question – large
companies represented here may be able to assure
themselves in most cases but others may not have a
clue.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.1pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l0
level4 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Consent
relates to personal data. In the comments on the
proposal, some argued that legal v. natural is
difficult and there are language and educational
barriers. However the bar is much higher for
consent under GDPR. Consent should be the last
resort b/c the bar to prove that you have valid
consent is very high. If someone believes the
language is not simple enough for legal v.
natural, how can it be valid enough for someone to
provide informed consent? The distinction b/w
legal v. natural is a valuable distinction in many
data protection regimes. Maybe a way to do this if
CPs would want to propose ways they could
differentiate.
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
</ul>
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level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Confirm
next steps<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.75in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Review
remaining proposals & input provided (starting with
scenario #1)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">See
<a href="https://jamboard.google.com/d/1H3CDUTITCfgcS85WMjlvyLV07cb7_V7ksFz8lVjExPg/viewer" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://jamboard.google.com/d/1H3CDUTITCfgcS85WMjlvyLV07cb7_V7ksFz8lVjExPg/viewer</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Berry
circulated a thought experiment yesterday.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This
thought experiment tries to encapsulate a lot of what we
spoke about in today’s meeting and before. What is
important is that in this is a thought experiment,
nothing will happen tomorrow, but, a few years down the
road, it may become a requirement to differentiate
between legal and natural persons. This thought
experiment asks the group to consider what would happen
if this was a requirement. Let’s first approach this by
what is already in the pipeline to be implemented. <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rec.
6 – touched on this – basically about Rrs providing
ability for RNH “consent” to have their info published.
Some have already implemented this; others will wait for
this requirement to be implemented. This is indirectly
related to legal v. natural. How are CPs actually going
to implement this and obtain consent? Example – domain
investor may wish to have their info published – what
would this look like?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rec.
12 – this is a Phase 1 rec about the Org field. The
second half of the recommendation notes requirements for
new registrations beginning on a date certain. On a date
certain, registrars have to allow registrants to publish
the org field. How does that impact the registration
process – how will this be implemented?
<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rec.
17 – which is the ability for CPs to differentiate b/w
legal and natural persons should they choose to. Are
some CPs going to do this – what about brand protection
models? If so, how are they going to go about doing
this?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Phase
2 – recognizing that only the Council has adopted the
Phase 2 recommendations – liability risks. Footnote 39 –
there is a requirement for a legal risk fund. Could this
group build on this particular concept? <o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There
are a series of questions here and the group should have
a frank discussion on all of these.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3
level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So
much of what we’re talking about ties back to Phase 1
and Phase 2<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Feedback<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Should
not be making consensus policy based on a theoretical
law. We are close to agreement that do we want to
publish the data or not – and are we giving people a
clear path to publishing, if they’d like to publish it.
<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It
seems clear that the NCSG wants to leave this as a
consent-based discretion. This is not what we’re here to
do – we are here to relitigate the legal v. natural
distinction.<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please
try to keep this from becoming personal.<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We
have a consensus policy – the question before us is do
we need to adjust the consensus policy.<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
whole time the NCSG has been arguing, there has been
law. The fundamental question to be asked here – are you
consenting to the release of personal information
here/can you consent to the release of personal
information here. <u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.7in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo4">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Consent
relates to personal data. If there is a registrant
providing personal and non-personal data, and they do
not consent – do you also not publish the non-personal
information? The distinction is inevitable and serves a
purpose. <u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li>
</ul>
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#10 Thursday 11 March</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
at 14.00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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