<div dir="ltr"><div>Brian,</div><div><br></div><div>in all openness, the only ones standing in the way of SSAD right now are IPC, BC and maybe parts of ALAC. Consensus in the meaning of "consensus policy" does not mean full consensus, it means a qualified majority on the GNSO policy, and SSAD had and has that. <br></div><div>Ultimately, we will not need your agreement. We may decide to build it this way to satisfy our legal requirement under NIS2. But now you still have an opportunity to influence how this is going to look. Wear your registrar hat for a while and you will see this is the only other way besides the status quo that has any chance of success. <br></div><div>If you have specific concerns with what I proposed as a way out of this conundrum, by all means, put them on the table, but if all you are going to do is total opposition, your points are moot as you are then clearly not interested in finding a workable solution. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Live a little and say yes to reason...<br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span lang="EN-US">-- <br>Volker A. Greimann<br>General Counsel and Policy Manager<br><b>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</b><br><br>T: +49 6894 9396901<br>M: +49 6894 9396851<br>F: +49 6894 9396851<br>W: </span><a href="http://www.key-systems.net/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">www.key-systems.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><br><br>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner<br><br>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.<br><br></span><span style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;font-size:14px;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(248,249,250)">This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended only for the person(s) directly addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, transmission, distribution, or other forms of dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email with any files that may be attached.</span></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:15 PM King, Brian <<a href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com">Brian.King@markmonitor.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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I like it too (which is why I proposed it in Phase 2).
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<div>However, what we developed in Phase 2 is clearly not acceptable to most groups, plus, we may never have an SSAD. Historically we’ve been let down by ICANN’s inability or unwillingness to implement policies like PPSAI which actually have consensus (unlike
SSAD) and which have progressed to implementation, so I don’t see the IPC agreeing to the dubious proposition of SSAD as the solution here. </div>
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<div>Furthermore, the European Commission has already advised that mere availability of legal entity data in SSAD will not meet the publication requirements in NIS2. So let’s stay focused. </div>
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<div>I addition to the points mentioned by others, making it a one-stop-shop for all data would make it more user friendly, add safeguards against undesirable correlation of data and allows for kicking-out bad actors even at that level.</div>
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<div>essentially, yes, although it would be non-personal data.</div>
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<div>And it takes care of a huge chunk of DNS abuse (the abuse originating from the RDS harvesters, that is).<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">> </span>Obviously I can’t speak for Volker, but I want to try and respond with why I find Volker’s
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">> </span>proposal intriguing.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I too am intrigued by this suggestion. Volker as I understand it proposed that instead of publishing the data as we used to do with “ye olde Whois” (love that term), we would make the data of
those who flag themselves as legal persons available automatically to any registered SSAD user who requests it. Other requests would be available based on the review for legitimate purpose as originally envisioned.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">As Marc suggests, going through SSAD eliminates a lot of abusers/bad actors or at least gives us some recourse against them, but still gives all the legitimate users easy access to data that does
not need to be private. I would hope this option would be acceptable to the stakeholders who are arguing for a legal/natural distinction.
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