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I like it too (which is why I proposed it in Phase 2).
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<div>However, what we developed in Phase 2 is clearly not acceptable to most groups, plus, we may never have an SSAD. Historically we’ve been let down by ICANN’s inability or unwillingness to implement policies like PPSAI which actually have consensus (unlike
SSAD) and which have progressed to implementation, so I don’t see the IPC agreeing to the dubious proposition of SSAD as the solution here. </div>
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<div>Furthermore, the European Commission has already advised that mere availability of legal entity data in SSAD will not meet the publication requirements in NIS2. So let’s stay focused. </div>
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<div>I addition to the points mentioned by others, making it a one-stop-shop for all data would make it more user friendly, add safeguards against undesirable correlation of data and allows for kicking-out bad actors even at that level.</div>
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<div>essentially, yes, although it would be non-personal data.</div>
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<div>And it takes care of a huge chunk of DNS abuse (the abuse originating from the RDS harvesters, that is).<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">> </span>Obviously I can’t speak for Volker, but I want to try and respond with why I find Volker’s
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">> </span>proposal intriguing.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I too am intrigued by this suggestion. Volker as I understand it proposed that instead of publishing the data as we used to do with “ye olde Whois” (love that term), we would make the data of
those who flag themselves as legal persons available automatically to any registered SSAD user who requests it. Other requests would be available based on the review for legitimate purpose as originally envisioned.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">As Marc suggests, going through SSAD eliminates a lot of abusers/bad actors or at least gives us some recourse against them, but still gives all the legitimate users easy access to data that does
not need to be private. I would hope this option would be acceptable to the stakeholders who are arguing for a legal/natural distinction.
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