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--></style></head><body lang=EN-CA link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Without the meaningful human review (aka “manual inspection”) how would we ensure that personal data is adequately protected? </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><b><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Sarah Wyld</span></b><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>, CIPP/E<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Policy & Privacy Manager<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Pronouns: she/her<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:swyld@tucows.com">swyld@tucows.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>+1.416 535 0123 Ext. 1392<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=100 height=22 style='width:1.0416in;height:.2239in' id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image001.png@01D698B1.25CB4480"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0cm'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">Mark Svancarek (CELA) via Gnso-epdp-team</a><br><b>Sent: </b>April 22, 2021 10:44 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">Volker Greimann</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org">gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] [EXTERNAL] Re: On the proposed guidance</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>Analogies of trade registries (or real property registries, a better example IMO) are flawed unless the data is available instantly and completely.  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>So far the proposals seem to propose that only some unpredictable fraction of the data will be instantly available, with the rest subject to multi-day manual inspection.  I doubt that will meet the standard of “publication”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 22, 2021 7:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Svancarek (CELA) <marksv@microsoft.com><br><b>Cc:</b> King, Brian <Brian.King@markmonitor.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] On the proposed guidance<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>My proposal includes the provision that data that is confirmed not to contain personal information would be automatically disclosed to requestors.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I am essentially proposing to lowering the barriers of access and the costs associated with this specific (and potentially other) automatic disclosure category. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Basically framing the "Lowest" category as a functionality of SSAD, broadening SSAD availability and conceding this data would be available for automated disclosure. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>How can you not love that?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>-- <br>Volker A. Greimann<br>General Counsel and Policy Manager<br><b>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</b><br><br>T: +49 6894 9396901<br>M: +49 6894 9396851<br>F: +49 6894 9396851<br>W: <a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.key-systems.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C7bcdb50cec814c2e280c08d9059b3a9a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637546986533218346%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=MDwm8M7mfwhB00tRoHKhciOgSLoKoIenOWjtq2Y0sro%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>www.key-systems.net</span></a><br><br>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner<br><br>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.<br><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:black;background:#F8F9FA'>This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended only for the person(s) directly addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, transmission, distribution, or other forms of dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email with any files that may be attached.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 4:07 PM Mark Svancarek (CELA) <<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"><span style='color:blue'>marksv@microsoft.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>The trade register provides guaranteed instant access to all data.  I haven’t seen a proposal so far which would ensure that all legal persona data would be available for automated access.  <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org</span></a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann via Gnso-epdp-team<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 22, 2021 6:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> King, Brian <<a href="mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>Brian.King@markmonitor.com</span></a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] On the proposed guidance<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>That is but one opinion, Brian. As I have already outlined previously, common practice all over Europe disagrees with her. Data can be public even if they are behind a wall. No sane person in Germany would argue that the trade register is not public. And what is the implementation of the online access functionality of the German trade register but a light version of SSAD - exactly what I am proposing. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>You have the opportunity for a win here. Let's not waste it. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>-- <br>Volker A. Greimann<br>General Counsel and Policy Manager<br><b>KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH</b><br><br>T: +49 6894 9396901<br>M: +49 6894 9396851<br>F: +49 6894 9396851<br>W: <a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.key-systems.net%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C7bcdb50cec814c2e280c08d9059b3a9a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637546986533228302%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=PX18InY%2Fl2Rj%2Fig31K6RkZjSe0BN9xOehX7bxHhfAvQ%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>www.key-systems.net</span></a><br><br>Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835<br>CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner<br><br>Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.<br><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Roboto;color:black;background:#F8F9FA'>This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended only for the person(s) directly addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, transmission, distribution, or other forms of dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email with any files that may be attached.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.8pt'><span lang=EN-US>On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 3:48 PM King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team <<a href="mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:blue'>gnso-epdp-team@icann.org</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'><span lang=EN-US>Hi Alan, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'><span lang=EN-US>Sure thing. Melina (who wrote the NIS 2 Directive) clarified that point in her email on Tuesday. I’ve attached it here in hopes that the email list server doesn’t eat it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt;vertical-align:baseline'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Brian King</span></b><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>He/Him/His<br><span style='color:black'>Head of Policy and Advocacy</span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>​</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt;line-height:105%;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:105%;color:black'>T +1 443 761 3726</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt;line-height:105%;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:105%;color:black'>Time zone: US Eastern</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clarivate.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C7bcdb50cec814c2e280c08d9059b3a9a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637546986533228302%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2bt9q6B5htcwk80klGK4gcxV7LWMey6bpI2X0E7aeYs%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">clarivate.com</a> | Accelerating innovation</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:9.6pt;vertical-align:baseline'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Follow us on </span><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fcompany%2Fclarivate&data=04%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C7bcdb50cec814c2e280c08d9059b3a9a%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637546986533238260%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=K%2BtWgDUin4HTiNSc9N0x%2FKmamtTA4nizbUUmWfIRbbY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>LinkedIn</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>, </span><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=htt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