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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear EPDP Team,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find below the proposed agenda for Thursday’s meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Berry, Marika, and Caitlin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">EPDP Phase 2A - Meeting #20</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Proposed Agenda</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Thursday 6 May 2021 at 14.00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Roll Call & SOI Updates (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Welcome & Chair updates (Chair) (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Legal vs. natural</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> (60 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Whether any updates are required to the EPDP Phase 1 recommendation on this topic (“Registrars and Registry Operators are permitted to differentiate between registrations of legal and
 natural persons, but are not obligated to do so“); </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="margin-left:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2;background:white;border:none;padding:0in">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">What guidance, if any, can be provided to Registrars and/or Registries who differentiate between registrations of legal and natural persons.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:67.7pt"><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/155191493/ICANN%20EDPB%202a%20-%20Memo%20re.%20NIS2%2C%20dotEU%20and%20RIPE-NCC%20-%2020210427.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1620089113000&api=v2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bird
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">High level overview (Becky)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-left:.1pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">EPDP Team to consider whether any aspects of the response warrant changes to the latest version of the write up or further consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-left:.1pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Confirm next steps<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Consider remaining outstanding questions:<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Guidance #3 - As part of the implementation, Registrars
</span></i><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sh<span style="color:black">ould consider using a type of
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<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Example scenarios (note, these scenarios are intended to be illustrations for how a Registrar could apply the guidance above. These scenarios are NOT to be considered guidance in
 and of itself).  <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">EPDP Team to consider whether or not these scenarios should remain or whether they should be replaced by the RrSG table as suggested by ALAC. If there
 is agreement that scenarios should remain as examples, EPDP Team to consider whether scenario #3 (</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Registrar determines type based on data provided</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">)
 should remain as some concerns have been expressed by NCSG in relation to the Registrar making an initial assessment about whether or not the registrant is a legal or a natural person. Note, updates were made to ensure that the Registrant is requested to confirm
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<i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Scenario #2 - Data subject self-identification at time when registration is updated<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The Registrar collects Registration Data and provisionally redacts the data.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The Registrar informs the Registrant (per guidance #3 above) and requests the Registrant (data subject) to designate legal or natural person type. The Registrar must also request the Registrant
 to confirm whether only non-personal data is provided for legal person type.<a style="mso-footnote-id:ftn1" href="#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" title=""><sup><b><sup><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">[1]</span></sup></b></sup></a>
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</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Registrant (data subject) indicates legal or natural person type and whether or not the registration contains personal information after registration is completed. For example, the Registrant
 may confirm person type at the time of initial data verification, in response to its receipt of the Whois data reminder email for existing registrations, or through a separate notice requesting self-identification.<a style="mso-footnote-id:ftn2" href="#_ftn2" name="_ftnref2" title=""><sup><b><sup><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">[2]</span></sup></b></sup></a>
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</span></span></span></i><![endif]><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If the data subject identifies as a legal person and confirms that the registration data does not include personal data, the Registrar should (i) contact the provided contact details to verify
 the Registrant claim<a style="mso-footnote-id:ftn3" href="#_ftn3" name="_ftnref3" title=""><sup><b><sup><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">[3]</span></sup></b></sup></a> (ii) set the registration data
 set to automated disclosure in response to SSAD queries and (iii) publish the data.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The GAC has suggested that it might be helpful to add some timelines to this scenario. How could/should such a timeline look?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:70.9pt"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Registrars shall not be prohibited from voluntarily utilizing a third party to verify that a registrant has correctly identified its data<a style="mso-footnote-id:ftn4" href="#_ftn4" name="_ftnref4" title=""><sup><b><sup><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">[4]</span></sup></b></sup></a>,
 provided that such verification is compliant with applicable data protection regulations.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Proposed</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> language changes from Volker were applied to make clear that
 third party verification is not disallowed, but neither specifically recommended. NCSG has noted its objection to this rewrite as it would make scenario 3 ten times worse. EPDP Team to consider concerns and determine if/how these can be addressed. Note, the
 Bird & Bird advice specifically talks about the option to verify information provided by the registrant.
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Homework assignments reminder (5 minutes)
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</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">By Friday 7 May,
</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">EPDP Team to review proposed f</span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uA_gEGmfyokKOP0Xft7q__RXVK1Ns_IXzSRoPKusm_E/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">easibility of unique contacts
 write up for Initial Report</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">. Please provide comments, suggestions and proposed edits in the form of comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">By Friday 7 May</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">, EPDP Team to review
</span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tbk4x7LDzqAazO2ABzjPPkR3gsPcPuBSrECQRpg0CdE/edit#heading=h.gjdgxs"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">updated version</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> of legal/natural guidance write up and
 indicate which aspects, if any, your group cannot live with for inclusion in the Initial Report.
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</span></span></span><![endif]><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">By Friday 7 May</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">, GAC and RrSG Team to review
</span><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tbk4x7LDzqAazO2ABzjPPkR3gsPcPuBSrECQRpg0CdE/edit#heading=h.gjdgxs"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">updated version</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> of write up and to indicate to EPDP Team
 if GAC updated proposal and RrSG table, respectively, need to be included, where it would be included and what aspects it would cover that are currently not addressed in the write up. Please provide your response via the mailing list.
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 Note that the confirmation that only non-personal data is provided could also happen at a later point in time. However, until the Registrant confirms that no personal data is present in the registration data, the Registrar does not set the registration data
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 Note, the implementation of EPDP Phase 1, recommendation #12 (Organization Field) may facilitate the process of self-identification.
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 Per the </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/155191493/ICANN%20-%20EPDP%20Phase%202a%20-%20Memo%20re.%20VSC%20and%20consent%20options%20-%2020210406.docx?version=1&modificationDate=1617804552000&api=v2"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">guidance</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">
 provided by Bird & Bird, “this verification method is advisable, and will help reduce risk. That risk reduction will be greatest if there is a reasonable grace period within which the objection can be lodged, before the data in question is published in the
 Registration Data” and “requiring an <u>affirmative </u>response to verification mailings seems over-cautious, unless and until studies show that the measures adopted are failing to keep very substantial amounts of personal data out of published Registration
 Data. However, if a verification email “bounces” (i.e. a Contracting Party knows it was not delivered), then it would be better if publication does not proceed”. 
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 provided by Bird & Bird, “a company registration number may be another means of verifying legal personhood”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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