[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] The origins of how INGOs got into this process (as opposed to IGO)

Tue Oct 28 17:06:26 UTC 2014

As co-Chair I see a consensus forming.

We can discuss and decide on tomorrow's call. 

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From: gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 11:27 PM
To: Jim Bikoff
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] The origins of how INGOs got into this process (as opposed to IGO)

I agree with Kathy, Osvaldo, Jim. 
Unless there is a clear demonstration of a separate legal status for INGOs that was not addressed in previous WGs, we should drop it. 

Regards

David

On 28 Oct 2014, at 12:00 am, Jim Bikoff <jbikoff at sgbdc.com> wrote:

> I agree.
> 
> Jim
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> From: Kathryn Kleiman [mailto:kleiman at fhhlaw.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 11:43 AM
> To: Jim Bikoff; Paul Keating
> Cc: gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org
> Subject: RE: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] The origins of how INGOs got into 
> this process (as opposed to IGO)
> 
>>> It is my opinion that we should focus on the IGOs and consider that the measures approved by the GNSO Council regarding the INGOs are sufficient.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Osvaldo Novoa
> 
> I agree with Osvaldo Novoa and Jim Bikoff on this - I think we should focus on IGOs and not INGOs. For if we address IGO and INGOs, then NGOs will want to be involved. Since it is a very loose area of existing protections, I recommend we stay with those of the clearest provable protections (and determining what the means) - IGOs.
> Best,
> Kathy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org 
> [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Jim Bikoff
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:12 PM
> To: Paul Keating
> Cc: gnso-igo-ingo-crp at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] The origins of how INGOs got into 
> this process (as opposed to IGO)
> 
> We strongly agree with Osvaldo.
> 
> Jim Bikoff
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Paul Keating <paul at law.es> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I know I have been absent from the last several calls (family issues), however, I feel that we should address both IGOs and INGOs.  If we don't we run the risk of inconsistency and future conflict.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Paul Keating
>> 
>>> On 15 Oct 2014, at 9:03 pm, Novoa, Osvaldo <onovoa at antel.com.uy> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that the INGOs were sufficiently considered in the first policy and hat is now been revised.  The revision arises from a request by the GAC, through the NGPC, to modify the decisions with regards to the IGOs acronyms and some on the Red Cross.
>>> It is my opinion that we should focus on the IGOs and consider that the measures approved by the GNSO Council regarding the INGOs are sufficient.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Osvaldo Novoa
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> El 15/10/2014, a las 11:33, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> escribió:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> 
>>>> During today's conference call, the topic of how INGOs got into 
>>>> this process was raised. Researching the mailing list of the prior 
>>>> working group, I believe the origin was the message at:
>>>> 
>>>> http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-igo-ingo/msg00885.html
>>>> 
>>>> where one of the participants put forward the idea that:
>>>> 
>>>> "Accreditation by ECOSOC is equivalent to the IGO treaty 
>>>> requirements and stands in fair stead to business oriented trademarks"
>>>> 
>>>> which, as Kristine noted in the chatroom during the call (I don't 
>>>> think the transcript is available yet, but will be) is probably not 
>>>> correct. i.e. her exact words were "I rather suspect it's much 
>>>> harder to get included in a treaty than to get on the ECOSOC list..."
>>>> 
>>>> I agree with Kristine.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyhow, I thought it would be good to capture this "history", in 
>>>> case we want to revisit this so-called "rationale" for adding INGOs.
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> George Kirikos
>>>> 416-588-0269
>>>> http://www.leap.com/
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