[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Mp3, AC Chat & Attendance for IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG on Thursday, 13 October 2016

[Michelle DeSmyter]

Dear All,

Please find the attendance and MP3 recording for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on Thursday, 13 October 2016 at 17:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-crp-pdp-13oct16-en.mp3

<http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-crp-pdp-13oct16-en.mp3>
On page: https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar-23oct&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=WQbWGIJMveDL4JQUV9LwXzg3WnjS3gvI-BF12n4VOQM&s=N8qDCFyjQ9zGaUjf14ZffWw6VR8-NfCkDx5Q6gbMgsg&e=>
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
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Attendees:
George Kirikos – Individual
Jay Chapman – Individual
Lori Schulman - IPC
Mason Cole – RySG
Nischa Vreeling (for Jim Bikoff) - IPC
Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP
Paul Tattersfield – Individual
Petter Rindforth - IPC
Phil Corwin - BC

Apologies:
Paul Keating - NCUC
Reg Levy - RySG

ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Steve Chan
Berry Cobb
Michelle DeSmyter

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

Mailing list archives:
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Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/-hi4Aw


Thank you.
Kind regards,
Michelle DeSmyter

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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 13 October 2016
  Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms WG on Thursday, 13 October 2016 at 17:00 UTC.
  George Kirikos:Hi folks.
  Michelle DeSmyter:Hello, hello!
  Petter Rindforth:Hi George & Michelle
  George Kirikos:Hi Michelle & Petter.
  Paul Tattersfield:Hi
  George Kirikos:Welcome Paul.
  Paul Tattersfield:Quiet day today
  Mary Wong:The proposal starts on Page 3 of the PDF
  Philip Corwin:When Petter concludes I'd like to speak first to provide background on GNSO Council discussions of this Proposal
  Lori Schulman:Hi
  George Kirikos:Welcome Lori.
  Lori Schulman:I don't have audio yet.
  Lori Schulman:waiting...
  Paul Tattersfield:Peter is just reading the letter from the small group proposal
  Lori Schulman:I have audio now.
  Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I'm late
  George Kirikos:Hi Osvaldo.
  George Kirikos:Proposal #1 is not within our PDP's scope (it's not curative). Should our charter be amended to comment on it?
  George Kirikos:(#1 is preventative)
  Mary Wong:@George, I don't believe so - that is the subject of a completed PDP and the GNSO has a different process to deal with amendments to that.
  Lori Schulman:I think that 1 is related because it goes to the basis of the CRP so we could comment on it.  Our comments on 6ter do cover it unless I am missing something.  6ter is not trademark law but trademark registries are used to implement
  Lori Schulman:Agree with Petter on this point.
  Mary Wong:@Petter, I can answer that
  Paul Tattersfield: It’s useful to have point 1 in the proposals as it gives the proposal completeness
  Mary Wong:@George, the IGO names will be protected according to the recommendations of the original PDP WG.
  George Kirikos:@Mary: It was my expectation that the IGO names themselves on the reserved list would disappear (i.e. the reserved list would be sunsetted at some point).
  Mary Wong:@George, no - the original PDP confirmed that IGO full names will be reserved at the second level
  George Kirikos:@Mary: Wouldn't that encourage gaming, then, since IGOs would be incentivized to change their names to their acronyms??!!??
  George Kirikos:(i.e. change "United Nations" to "UN" and thus reserve "UN" in all TLDs)
  Mary Wong:The names are what is on the GAC list, unless amended by the GAC
  George Kirikos:Agree, Phil.
  George Kirikos:#2 and #3 are fully handled by the UDRP & URS respectively, via the assignee, agent, licensee routes, etc.
  Paul Tattersfield:Exactly George, ICANN should concentrate on providing mechanisms for all groups not selected or promoted groups/interests.
  Lori Schulman:Just want to repeat that Agency is not workable solution.  License maybe.  Only assignment works and that is not a business model that IGO's follow.
  George Kirikos:@Mary: But don't those recommendations (for full names) only apply to new gTLDs? Whereas our work also includes legacy gTLDs?
  George Kirikos:(i.e. I don't think that reserved list applies to .com)
  Paul Tattersfield:yes George
  Berry Cobb:@George, the 2nd level reservations for full names applies to ALL gTLDs (new & Legcy)  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_active_igo-2Dingo&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=7TwYNYSSFUbdHEcxqTLjEvfOSTR72bp_yIn6jBQVtEc&s=ueoqrznX6vL4tbpQNaqcZdSBIIJwlGnzOc0Kmqej0uY&e=
  Mary Wong:@George, that is correct - and is one of the follow on sub questions I alluded to.
  George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_reserved-2D2013-2D07-2D08-2Den&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=7TwYNYSSFUbdHEcxqTLjEvfOSTR72bp_yIn6jBQVtEc&s=C1ahcMo5AISbPc3rnUd8B2YJDdyHGb_EAXkjQaKExRU&e=   <<-- confirms it is for new gTLDs
  Mary Wong:i.e. meshing recormmendations for: (1) all IGOs versus IGOs on the GAC list, and (2) New gTLD mechanisms versus all gTLDs
  Berry Cobb:@ George, that is because the recommendations from that first PDP have not been implemented yet.  Once done, that Spec 5 list will change, and also will become policy advisories for legacy TLDs.
  Mary Wong:But the Full Names policy will apply to all gTLDs
  Mary Wong:(as Berry has just noted)
  George Kirikos:Amusingly, some of the IGO acronyms collide, e.g. World Trade Organization, World Tourism Organization = WTO :-)
  Paul Tattersfield:I think the proposal is helpful because it sets out clearly what the IGOs & GAC want and most of that can easily be dealt with within the current UDRP & URS mechanisms
  Jay Chapman:+1 Paul
  Paul Tattersfield:I think we should deal with the proposal first, line by line and see how it can be implemented
  Paul Tattersfield:URS?
  Paul Tattersfield:Isn’t that what URS is for?
  George Kirikos:Right, Paul.
  Mary Wong:@Petter, yes, that's another example - hence our suggestion that we take a closer look at the scope of the proposals.
  George Kirikos:I think Phil's hand is new.
  Mary Wong:And mine was vestigial :)
  Mary Wong:@Paul T, just saw your suggestion. We can convert the document for that purpose, to Word or Google doc.
  George Kirikos:Those are just weak rephrasings of the UDRP/URS, as Phil says.
  Jay Chapman:agree Phil
  Mary Wong:@Phil, that will be an EXCELLENT point to make, esp in Hyderabad when you and Petter present the initial recommendations to the community
  George Kirikos:It'll be done when it's done.
  George Kirikos:Now that the IGO small group has made a proposal, any chance they'd be amenable to participating in a call with us? Or do we interpret their report as a desire to not work with us? (i.e. we just shoot competing written reports back/forth)?
  Philip Corwin:We can certainly describe our likely recommendations in Hyderabad, even if final text is not ready because of the need to respond in detail to the IGO Proposal.
  George Kirikos:(they do seem to have observers to our mailing list, although no active participants within it)
  George Kirikos:Sounds good, Petter.
  Philip Corwin:I don't see any need rto specifically invite them to present to us. They are free to attend and to make comments.
  Paul Tattersfield:Agree Petter, I think we should hold off on the report if necessary we have fully dealt with the small group proposal
  George Kirikos:Are we at 1 pm (Eastern time) next week too?
  George Kirikos:Bye folks.
  Osvaldo Novoa:Bye
  Paul Tattersfield:thanks bye
  Lori Schulman:ciao


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