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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>recording for IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Monday 15 September 2014 at 1900 UTC at:<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a 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and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Imran Ahmed Shah – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Phil Corwin – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>George Kirikos - Individual<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jay Chapman – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jim Bikoff – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nat Cohen – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Paul Tattersfield – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Petter Rindforth – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Griffin Barnett – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Reg Levy – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kristine Dorrain – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David Heasley – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Apologies:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>John Mcgrann – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David Maher <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mason Cole – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ICANN staff:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span 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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <b><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript </u></b></span><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>for Monday 15 September 2014:<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 15h September 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Val Sherman:Hello All! Jim Bikoff, David Heasley and Griffin Barnett also on call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Hi folks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:thanks Val, noted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Hello everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Did everyone have a nice weekend?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Not too bad, George, from my side, thanks! Hope you did!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Jay Chapman:Hi, Everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Hi Jay.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nat Cohen:Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Hey Nat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Kristine Dorrain has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:I can also pull up the full Gantt chart if you like, Phil.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Reg Levy has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Petter Rindforth:I am happy to join Sub Group A<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Imran Ahmed Shah is also in the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Petter, noted, thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Reg - M+M:Has Cheryl Langdon-Orr been called?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Paul Keating has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Cheryl is not a member of this group<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Is it a given that I'm on subgroup A? :) I hope so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Petter Rindforth:I welcome you!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Kristine, I think so! :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Philip Corwin:I will join B<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:paul keating. i would also like to join B<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:I'd be happy to join B.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:For the 3rd part of Group A, I'd suggest getting ALL, rather than a "representative sample".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Because, there are so few who've filed UDRP/URS amongst IGOs/INGOs, that if we shrink that to a "sample", it won't be statistically significant.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:agreed. there cannot be that many. i would also like to see the complaints and any responses relative the the UDRP/URS<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:There is a wiki page that lists George's suggestions for finding data - <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/48PhAg">https://community.icann.org/x/48PhAg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:In the background materials from Friday, some of those case studies were ancient, i.e. 12 years old.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Which is 84 years in dog years/internet years. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:I agree, George. Just know that going through over 40,000 UDRP decisions will take a while. We don't separate cases by complainant type and I don't think WIPO does either, even I reach out and ask them to help me. so my presentation will not fully address Item 3.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:And, they're merely anecdotal, rather than scientific research studies that comprehensively survey a sample of the universe of IGOs/INGOs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:can we obtain copies of the I/Ngo submissions to the prior WG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@George, understood - that was also noted in the Issue Report for this WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Paul, there were Minority Statements published as part of the Final Report for that PDP WG. I will find the link.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Some of the Background Documents - some of which we'll cover under Item 3 - have references and informaton in them too.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Agree with Phil --- I think having 6 or 7+ team members for group B might help a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:how does one become designated as an IGO or INGO??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Paul Tattersfield:Is there single list of the 40,000 decisions?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:UDRPSearch.com has nearly all of them indexed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Paul, this was a question tackled in a number of prior efforts. For this WG, we are following the list developed by our predecessor WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:But, there are....5 UDRP providers? Plus the defunct eResolution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Agree with speaker --- if not on the calls, a broad survey (ie. outreach) is needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Imran Ahmed Shah:Please count me in Sub WG B<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:George, WIPO and NAF have about 97 or 98% of the cases, the rest of the providers are probably pretty easily surveyed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:True, Kristine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:And even though UDRP Search has them all, there is still the question of how to run queries. Most UDRP decisions will not contain the term "NGO".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:@mary, if we are to consider a curative remedy we need to understand how one can take advantage. there must be a basic "standing" issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Kristine: I think to find them, one would have to work backwards. Find the ones that aren't IGOs (e.g. search for "Inc." or "Lego", etc. as a complainant, and remove those from the database.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Keep removing them, and then manually review the leftovers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Interesting strategy.... :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Petter Rindforth:I presume it is possible to find them by searching for the name of the Complainant<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Yes, that would work depending on how many NGOs there are. I just heard someone say 5K?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:No, it's much larger, Kristine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:That Yearbook had something like 60,000+ entries.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:http://www.uia.org/yearbook<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:(66,000 entries)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Petter Rindforth:Well we are 3 in the Sub WG, let's take 20 000 each ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Funny...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Reg - M+M:Creating yet another dispute resolution process when one is already in place is needlessly confusing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Reg - M+M:and burdensom<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Reg: there are lots of other reasons to be concerned. Because, the "immunity" issue has only ever been used as a "shielf".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:oops, "shield"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Reg, at initial glance, I hear you. A lot. But trying to have one policy with "two tracks" I think is fraught with danger at confusing panelists and providers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Not as a "sword", whereby the IGOs/INGOs can compel a 3rd party to be forced to defend outside their National Courts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Reg - M+M:These two IGOs (and the others that have been included because it was noticed that they were seeking special treatment) have avenues they can pursue, by treaty, trying to get special treatment through ICANN is, again, unnecessary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:e.g. if an IGO/INGO breaks my window, and I sue them for $500, they can claim immunity from a Toronto court.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Reg - M+M:+1 George Kirikos<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:But, if I break their window, and they want $1000 from me, they can't force me to go to a UN-run arbitration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:@Mary, it is also possible to conclude nothing is required?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:I hope the members of Group A can gather stats on how many UDRPs are ever appealed to courts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Because, that's a critical statistic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:@george, they rely upon others to inform them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:IGOs/INGOs concerned about immunity are concerned that if they won a UDRP, the registrant would appeal to a court.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:George, that's almost impossible to know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:If only a small fractionof cases are ever appealed, then there's no real concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Kristine: It's not impossible. Registrars must transfer within 10 days, unless there's an appeal to courts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Yes, but they don't have to tell us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:and most don't.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:So, Registrars would certainly know how many times they had to hold off on a transfer, because of a legal action.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Registrars would have the data. E.g. GoDaddy Legal, Tucows Legal, NSI, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:The top 10 registrars can be asked for their stats (presumably they account for a large share of UDRPs).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Registrar's do get court orders. Whether or not they sort them by "post UDRP" or "no UDRP" would be interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Petter Rindforth:George - good idea and duly noticed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Reg - M+M:Kristine, can you speak to the confusion-for-panels issue and how that might indicate that IGOs don't deserve the rights/special treatment they're claiming?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:@phil, this is key for standing purposes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Yes, Reg, I can include that in my presentation next week, if that's ok?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Those lists were posted to the Wiki, I think.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Reg - M+M:sure, thank you<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:@mary, does the Paris Convention contain a definition for NGO?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Paul, I don't believe so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Question: Will ICANN staff support be available to each of the Sub Groups? (and do we have some budgets, e.g. to go out and obtain the yearbook, etc.)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:@phil, what does it take to be an NGO or INGO?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@George, our practice is to have each Sub Group organize themselves and request he support they need. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:so it sounds like......i am an NGO because I say so and have a number of influential people who say I am?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:ISO is on the reserved list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@George, that's actually the Int'l Sugar Org, not the Intl' Standards Org, ...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:I think<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Jim, that would be Claudia McMaster Tamarit?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Oh, ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:@Phil, we need to test the list and be caredul not to accept prior lists.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:@phil, cannot speak.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:please read out my questions....<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:convention<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Paris Convention<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Petter Rindforth:Maybe Mary can make a quick info on our new dates for meetings?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/text.jsp?file_id=288514<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:(Article 6)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:+1 Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Jay Chapman:Agree, Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:We can hold a "draft" to allocate those who've not volunteered themselves to a subgroup, yet. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Imran Ahmed Shah:good idea<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Next week, we'll be on Wednesday, correct?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Should staff put that in the email, George? :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Weds at 1600 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:So, next steps? By next week, allocate the Sub GRoups?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Any other "takeaways" from today?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:thank you all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Thanks everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> paul Keating:i need to sign off. thanks for the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Petter Rindforth:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> George Kirikos:Bye everyone. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Jay Chapman:Good day, everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Paul Tattersfield:thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Imran Ahmed Shah:Good Bye<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>