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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Please find the MP3 </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>recording for IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Wednesday, 29<sup>TH</sup> October 2014 at 1600 UTC at:<span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-20141029-en.mp3"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-20141029-en.mp3</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#oct</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>George Kirikos - Individual<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jay Chapman – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Jim Bikoff – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paul Tattersfield – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Petter Rindforth – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kristine Dorrain – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>David Maher <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Phil Corwin – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Mason Cole – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>David Cake – GNSO Vice Chair <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Paul Raynor Keating – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kathy Kleiman – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Lori Schulman - 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Are we going for 60 mins today, or 90?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Steve Chan:@George, 60 minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Great. Thanks Steve.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:One IGO has asked to join the WG as an Observer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Petter yes it will be Brian Beckham from WIPO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:I believe Brian has been discussing this WG with other IGOs too...so even though I am not sure he speaks for any other IGOs, he has good insight....<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Kristine, yes - especially to/with the other IGOs that will be forming the small group that the Board and GNSO discussed in LA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:The document is unsync'd so you can scroll through it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Attorneys fees are usually the same or (in most cases) more than the filing fee<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> aul Keating:Paul Keating here. Sorry but ICANN has blocked by PW for some reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:Welcome Paul Keating<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:The GAC also didn't reference the URS in their point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:Kathy Kleiman has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:Hi All<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Terri Agnew:Lori Schulman has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Thank you for sending the link.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Changing the UDRP in this regard is likely to have a ripple effect. I agree with Brian (we've discussed it)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Kristine, @Petter - this is something the WG can request that the GNSO Council have Mason transmit as a question to the GAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Petter Rindforth:Yes, that's needed and rather quickly so that we know how to proceed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:lol Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> aul Keating:I have a serious concern that people are suggesting a new "system" instead of amending the UDRP in order to avoid the issues that would be raised in a discussion concerning amending the UDRP.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:We don't want to lose the precedents and jurisprudence that exists from past UDRP rulings, either.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> David Cake:Mary - does this need to formally go via council, or can Mason just ask having been asked by this WG?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@David WG requests should go back to the Council.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Not all trademark offices do a "likelihood of confusion" search<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:IGOs and NGO's are responsible for policing their marks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> aul Keating:If the issue is pricing, we need only to obtain permission from ADR providers to waive the fees. OR ICANN's agreement to fund the fees directly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:Why?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> aul Keating:If the issue is that they have problems establishing a "trademakr", I am sorry but I see no legal basis for suporting a "currative" rights mechanishm when there are no "rights" to protect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Providers already lose a lot of money on UDRP/URS. I suspect we're not about to start funding IGO disputes more than that :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:Isn't it important to keep the IGO process consistent with the UDRP - and all of its subsquent procedural changes. If we create two separate processes, we risk going off in two separate directions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:I agree Kathy....the UDRP is a great starting point<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:@Kristine, so it's a funding issue? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:That's one issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Right, Kathy. If we have UDRP reform in 2016 or whatever, will they automatically change the IGO-UDRP (or whatever a tailored version is named)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:If the rights are not based on trademark registrations but other legal mechanisms then logic would dictate that a separate mechansim is necessary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Kathy, the cost issue is one issue that has been raised, including by the GAC in previous Communiques and indicated as such in the Issue Report for this PDP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Also, by creating a new DRP tailored to IGOs, every registrar agreement will require that registrants give notice of 2 separate documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:@Mary, but cost is hardly a rationale for an entirely different body/set of rules, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:(which might be confusing for registrants)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:I meant "registrants be *given* notice.."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Kathy, I don't believe that is being offered as a rationale, only as a concern such that any mechanism (existing, tweaked or new) should take into account (nominal for IGOs)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Tattersfield:There is a bit of IGO thinking here <a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-igo-ingo-crp-prelim-10mar14/msg00004.html">http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-igo-ingo-crp-prelim-10mar14/msg00004.html</a> unfortunately the poster didn’t leave their name if it is possible to identify the sender it might be good point of contact perhaps? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> aul Keating:RE FUNDING. Someone has to pay for it. The likely candidates are ICANN and/or the complainant.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Paul, that was sent on behalf of the IGO Coalition<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:They participated in the previous WG, and some of them will likely be part of the group formed to discuss the outstanding GNSO recommendations re TMCH etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Tattersfield:thanks Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:Hi All, I'll still send a formal email, but here is the CERN registration in the US Trademark Office -- <a href="http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4805:rln7zr.2.7">http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4805:rln7zr.2.7</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:That link is session-specific, Kathy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:Sorry all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Here's a better link: <a href="http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=89000193&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch">http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=89000193&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:(although it's just a CERN logo mark)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> aul Keating:@PHIL, exactly what are the issues relative to this issue funding, standing (rights), etc.... we are getting off topic...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:The CERN listing is not technically a registration but a recognition of rights granted under the Paris Convention<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:I could look into how the CERN info would be treated in the event that there were a conflicting filing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Never saw one when I was examining<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:A search for "6ter" at the USPTO under the field "ALL" shows many such registered marks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:What is the difference between editing paragraph 4(a)(i) of the UDRP and duplicating the UDRP with an editing 4(a)(i) and calling it UDRP-IGO.? (as far as the "procedural nightmare"...I just dont' see how one is worse than the other.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:@Lori, yes, and according to US Trademark folks, the registration is important - so that Trademark Examining attorneys can ensure that new trademark applicants are not causing confusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Lots of 6ter marks registered are numbers, e.g. 950, 375, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Right, but do the IGO's go through the Opposition Procedure in the regular way?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:One doesn't affect other users of the UDRP, the other has the potential of farther-reaching effects<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:@Mary, can Brian Beckham from WIPO join us?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:There are 735 Article 6ter marks registered at the USPTO.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:If the IGO's are cited as blocks, I wonder how many actually ever oppose based on Art.6 rights<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Actually, 735 isn't correct, as there are some matches for "6ter" that are not IGO related.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Petter Rindforth:Kathy, Brian will join as observer on behalf of WIPO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Those Article 6ter marks aren't blocks in the USPTO.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Some marks co-exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Rodenbaugh's report.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:A straw poll, perhaps? (we don't have every working group member on today's call, though)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:@George, right, IGO 6ter registrations don't block, but can (and are) considered for confusion purposes. I think it is really interesting that a US company can get a trademark on an IGO acronym in an entirely different category of goods and services <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Yes. The thing about Article 6ter registrations is that they don't really disclose a class of goods/services. So, unless it's an egregious impersonation, the examiner is probably going to let it go through.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:If IGO records are not used as a basis of refusal then I am not sure what I considered.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:I mean I am not sure what "is" considered?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Although, some classes of goods/services can be presumed, e.g. an application for "WIPO" by a commercial firm for legal services would probably fail.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:(examiners will often do Google searches, etc. to see how marks are being used)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:@Mary, but wasn't that early PDP voted down by the GNSO Council?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Kathy, I meant the last IGO-INGO PDP WG chaired by Thomas Rickert<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:Our PDP scope was defined by the GNSO Council based on that WG's recommendations. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:+1 Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Got it. If refused probably on a different statutory basis then likelihood of confusion. Got it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Agree with Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@Kathy, NCSG was one group in that last PDP that supported equivalent treatment for IGos and INGOs, hence my advice to this WG to consider the question more deliberately before making the decision.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Yes, access to Curative Rights. It's not about changing the rules to create a more favourable DRP for INGOs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:If there was a failure of having access, that'd show a necessity for a change.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:I had promised some data about INGO's and I will write it up. But here is an interesting factoid about domain name registration/usage. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Everyone has a "wish list." e.g. non-profits non-INGOs would also seek changes, if INGOs get it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Independent research showed that from the 3578 registered organizations (on UN ECOSOC list), only 1428 (40%) actually had an operational Website with their own domain name. Of the 2148 organizations,(60%) with no operational Websites, about 860,(40%) no longer existed as operational entities and about 215 (10%) did not want to have a Website.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> aul Keating:@Phil, The issue seems to be one of standing - what rights must be shown to have currative rights?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> aul Keating:can you raise thi spoint please.?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:of the remaining 1074 operational Civil Society organizations, the approximately 322 (30%) that had "lost" their originally registered domain name where not aware of the need to renew a domain, and give and maintain up to date contact and billing information. From the 1428 organizations with an operational Website only about 500 (35%) maintained up to date contact data, such as email or mailing address and phone number), and were aware of and met deadlines for renewal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Approximately 1400 (65 %) had moved their Internet presence to a social media site such as Facebook Civil Society is increasingly abandoning a propitiatory domain based presence for an exclusive social media based use of the Internet. Many NGO's new to the Internet do not register an owned domain name, and from the beginning use social media sites as their main Internet tool.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Can you send that report to the mailing list, Lori? (if we don't already have that info)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Yes, I will. It is part of research that was done by NPOC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Excellent, thanks Lori.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:GAC London Communique on Red Cross: "• The Red Cross and Red Crescent terms and names should not be equated with trademarks or trade names and that their protection could not therefore be adequately treated or addressed under ICANN's curative mechanisms for trademark protection."<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:PIR is coming out with a NGO-specific new gTLD, namely .NGO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:The issues for INGO's go much deeper than curative rights.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:(and I think another variation, .ONG or something, i.e. non-English version)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:I agree with Phil's point about bad actors and opportunities for confusion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Petter Rindforth:Mary - can you also say a few words on the proposed face-to-face meeting?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:@Mary, NCSG has raised very strong concerns about special and extra-legal protections for Red Cross<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:I will for NPOC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Or should it best be sent via the GNSO liaison?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:INGO curative rights is certianly an "operational concerns"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Will there still be remote access, to those not planning to go to the physical meeting?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Mary Wong:@George, yes for sure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Great.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:All, we did a facilitated meeting with the Proxy/Privacy WG, and it worked well. Much better to do the Friday after than the Friday before! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Kathy Kleiman:Tx Phil!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> George Kirikos:Bye folks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jay Chapman:Goodbye!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Paul Tattersfield:Bye<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Lori Schulman:Ciao<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>