Thanks, Mary.<div><br /></div><div>Well, if we do it the diplomatical way and send it to all, I presume that we will also extend our possibilities to in fact get some replies back and join us at least as observers.</div><div><br /></div><div>/ Petter<br /><br />-- <br />Petter Rindforth, LL M
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<br />Thank you<br /><br /><p>6 november 2014, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org> skrev:</p><blockquote type="cite"><div class="oneComWebmail-html oneComWebmail-mail"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px;" class="oneComWebmail-body"><div><div><div>Hello everyone,</div><div><br /></div><div>To be honest I’m not sure that we ought to distinguish between IGOs who are GAC Observers but not on the GAC List of Protected IGOs, IGOS who are not GAC Observers but are on the GAC List, and IGOs that are on both lists. At the same time, there is no quick and easy way to check the IGO/NGO status of all the GAC Observers, so we would suggest extending an invitation to all the GAC Observers. </div><div><br /></div><div>Thanks and cheers</div><div>Mary</div><div><br /></div><div><div><div><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Mary Wong</font></font></div><div><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Senior Policy Director</font></font></div><div><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)</font></font></div><div><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Telephone: +1 603 574 4892</font></font></div><div><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="oneComWebmail-Apple-style-span" face="Calibri">Email: mary.wong@icann.org</font></font></div><div><br /></div></div></div></div></div><div><br /></div><span id="oneComWebmail-OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; color: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">From: </span> Petter Rindforth <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Reply-To: </span> "<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>" <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Date: </span> Thursday, November 6, 2014 at 2:47 PM<br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">To: </span> George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc: </span> Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject: </span> Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to GAC Observers to join our WG<br /></div><div><br /></div><blockquote id="oneComWebmail-MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING: 0 0 0 5; MARGIN: 0 0 0 5;"><div><div>
Hi All,
<div><br /></div><div>1) I think we shall keep to the GAC list of <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Protected IGOs, and</span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">2) Yes, I support the idea of sending a special invitation to those.</span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br /></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">/ Petter</span></div><div><br />
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Thank you<br /><br /><p>6 november 2014, George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>> skrev:</p><blockquote><div class="oneComWebmail-mail"><div class="oneComWebmail-body">Hi Mary,<br /><br />
I think it should focus on the IGOs. That's why in my original<br />
suggestion, I wrote "perhaps we should extend an invitation to the IGO<br />
observers (there are a few non-IGOs, e.g. Red Cross)" in order to<br />
distinguish the "IGO observers" from the rest of the GAC observers.<br /><br />
But, perhaps others feel differently.<br /><br />
Sincerely,<br /><br />
George Kirikos<br />
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br /><blockquote>Hello everyone,<br /><br />
While staff is happy to extend the invitation, we think it would be<br />
appropriate to first consult the Council as I do not recall another instance<br />
(at least, not in recent years that I know of) where a WG has formally<br />
invited specific GAC participants to join a WG. I’ll send a note to the<br />
Council on behalf of the group, and let you all know the Council’s view.<br /><br />
On a related note – the GAC list of Observers does include entities such as<br />
the International Red Cross Movement, who while they are protected by<br />
international treaty are not “IGOs” as defined for our purposes<br />
(multinational organizations created or constituted by governments). Also,<br />
the GAC list of Observers includes IGOs that are NOT on the GAC List of<br />
Protected IGOs (sent to ICANN in 2013 and the basis on which current<br />
protections, including those GNSO consensus recommendations recently adopted<br />
by the Board and other interim protections, have been extended.<br /><br />
Does the WG wish to invite all GAC Observers accordingly?<br /><br />
Thanks and cheers<br />
Mary<br /><br />
Mary Wong<br />
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From: Petter Rindforth <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br />
Reply-To: "<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>" <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br />
Date: Thursday, November 6, 2014 at 3:45 AM<br />
To: George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>><br />
Cc: "<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>><br />
Subject: Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] PLEASE RESPOND ASAP -- Revised Draft of<br />
Letter to Council regarding GAC Communique<br /><br />
George,<br /><br />
Good idea! (at least worth a try ;-)<br /><br />
Formal question: Who will officially arrange for such invitation - ICANN<br />
Staff, GNSO Council, or??<br /><br />
Best,<br />
Petter<br /><br />
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Thank you<br /><br />
6 november 2014, George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>> skrev:<br /><br />
Hello,<br /><br />
The revised draft letter looks fine to me.<br /><br />
On another note, I noticed that the GAC website lists all the "observers":<br /><br /><a href="https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Observers" target="_blank">https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Observers</a><br /><br />
with most of their contact information. To disintermediate, perhaps we<br />
should extend an invitation to the IGO observers (there are a few<br />
non-IGOs, e.g. Red Cross) to see whether they'd join our working<br />
group?<br /><br />
Sincerely,<br /><br />
George Kirikos<br />
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