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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul@law.es ZIMBRA<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> George Kirikos<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Draft for discussion/comparison (if UDRP is to be amended)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the reasons set out in my prior emails, I am NOT in favor of any amendment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Any IGO name or acronym is already protected as a right and any claimant has both the Convention (and national law such as the Lanham Act). This limits rights specifically. As to acronyms the claimant is left to common law unless "registered"
per the convention. This is entirely consistent with the position of the U.S. government per the opinion that has already been shares.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All other issues (legitimate interest or bad faith) necessarily flow from the above.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Immunity is not appropriately the subject of an amendment. The U.S. government's position is quite clear on this. Holding, using and seeking protection for "trademark rights" is an inherently commercial (and certainly non-governmental)
activity. Established case law dating back 50 years or more clearly distinguishes between governmental and non-governmental activities, stating only that the former is consistent with immunity. A clear example is a national airline.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I may not be able to participate today due to family commitments but ask that this email and its contents be made known to the group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 21 Jan 2015, at 3:45 pm, George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com">icann@leap.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With respect, this "thought experiment" is akin to my "Straw Poll"<br>
earlier (which was deemed 'too early'), in that's jumping ahead to a<br>
'solution', without first considering all the data, identifying<br>
whether there's a real problem, etc.<br>
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That being said, here are my thoughts:<br>
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1. On October 28, 2014, in subgroup B I sent a detailed analysis<br>
comparing the ICANN Reserved Names of IGOs list to the Article 6ter<br>
database. Less than half (271 of 549) of the currently 'protected' IGO<br>
reserved identifiers are even in the Article 6ter database! I'm not<br>
sure if the spreadsheets were ever posted on the Wiki, but attached is<br>
the analysis in HTML format (in the Subgroup, I also sent them in<br>
Excel and OpenOffice formats). Thus, if we limit things to Article<br>
6ter marks, a lot of existing reserved names lose protection (perhaps<br>
rightly so).<br>
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2. The amendment for 4(a)(i) is not necessary, since the proposed<br>
change is already consistent with common law marks that IGOs can<br>
currently assert. Furthermore, the proposed language is awkward. I<br>
would rearrange it (if forced to -- I don't approve of any change) as:<br>
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4(a)(i): your domain name is identical or confusingly similar to a<br>
trademark or service mark in which the complainant has rights; or,<br>
where the complainant is an international intergovernmental<br>
organization whose name or abbreviation has been communicated, as<br>
prescribed by Article 6ter of the Paris Convention for the Protection<br>
of Industrial Property, to the countries constituting the Union to<br>
which the Convention applies (including Members of the World Trade<br>
Organization to whom the Convention applies in accordance with<br>
Articles 1.3 and 2.1 of the Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of<br>
Intellectual Property Rights), your domain name is identical or<br>
confusingly similar to complainant's Article 6ter registered name or<br>
abbreviation; and<br>
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(the slight change placed a semi-colon directly after "rights" as per<br>
the existing UDRP language, and then added a fresh "or" directly<br>
after, but then specific at the beginning the entities that the "or"<br>
applied to, i.e. IGOs.<br>
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3. In the language that begins with "For the avoidance of doubt"<br>
(below 4(a)(iii)), it seems illogical. By definition, the domain name<br>
is going to be "confusingly similar" if it's an identical match, so to<br>
that that "the domain name shall NOT be regarded as confusingly<br>
similar " (i.e. 4(a)(i))", the first prong of the UDRP 3-part test,<br>
doesn't make sense. Instead, I believe what the text is trying to say<br>
is that the domain name was not registered or being used "in bad<br>
faith" (the 3rd part of the 3-part test). So, the text would need to<br>
be rewritten to clarify that part (i.e. it's not the first test --<br>
it's the 2nd and/or 3rd parts of the test).<br>
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Furthermore, the language is dangerously unclear with its use of "use<br>
or registration" .... "is not of such a nature". That can be<br>
interpreted several ways, e.g. it might be interpreted to mean that an<br>
IGO can pass the test if it shows just bad faith "use" OR<br>
"registration", instead of both. In other words, it's not "avoiding<br>
the doubt" enough!<br>
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Furthermore, this is *not* sufficient language to protect registrants.<br>
For example, the domain name might not yet be in use at all -- e.g. it<br>
might be under construction, not resolving, etc. Rather than saying<br>
"is probably not of such a nature as to mislead the public as to the<br>
existence of a connection.......", the "test" must be much stronger.<br>
TO avoid the doubt, the IGO must prove that the registration AND the<br>
use can only be of such a nature to actively impersonate the IGO in<br>
question. I'm not sure that the language is "bulletproof" yet.<br>
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4. For the amendments under 3(b)(viii) (the draft says 3(b)(vii), but<br>
it is actually below 3(b)(viii)), there is no requirement that the IGO<br>
discuss how their Article 6ter names/abbreviations are used. This is<br>
something that would need to be communicated in a complaint, to allow<br>
the respondent to know who the IGO is, what they do, etc. Recall that<br>
these IGOs are generally obscure. Respondent needs to have enough<br>
information in the complaint to mount a defence. Indeed, IGOs should<br>
be compelled to include the full Article 6ter filing in their<br>
complaint (which includes the date of the registration), since those<br>
generally won't appear in national trademark databases.<br>
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5. WIPO overview, draft 1.5. First, I would renumber it 1.12<br>
(otherwise all the other UDRP element overviews would need to get<br>
renumbered). Also, I would instead suggest that WIPO overview 1.7<br>
*already* applies to IGOs (What needs to be shown for the complainant<br>
to successfully assert common law or unregistered trademark rights)<br>
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<a href="http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/overview2.0/#17">http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/overview2.0/#17</a><br>
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"Consensus view: The complainant must show that the name has become a<br>
distinctive identifier associated with the complainant or its goods or<br>
services. "<br>
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If we wanted to be consistent, better language might be:<br>
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1.12: Can a complainant show UDRP-relevant rights in a name or<br>
abbreviation that has been communicated under Article 6ter of the<br>
Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property?<br>
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(notice I've changed the several words slightly, including 'Does' to<br>
"Can"). The "discussion section can be changed in a similar manner).<br>
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In conclusion, I don't think any changes are needed to the UDRP itself<br>
(perhaps at best just the "WIPO Overview", i.e. improving education).<br>
We need to step back and consider *why* we'd want to change the UDRP<br>
-- is this just a 'political' thing, to be "seen to be doing<br>
something", just for the sake of appeasing governments? If that's the<br>
case, I don't think that's very proper for a technical policymaking<br>
body. Instead, we should feel pressured to "do something" for "show",<br>
but instead should be able to conclude that no changes whatsoever are<br>
required, if that's where the *facts* lead us.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
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George Kirikos<br>
416-588-0269<br>
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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