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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the MP3 recordings for the </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">IGO-INGO
Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> call held
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">F2F ICANN52 Singapore Friday, 13<sup>th</sup> February 2015 9:00-17:00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><a href="http://audio.icann.org/meetings/singapore2015/igo-ingo-crp-access-13feb15-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/meetings/singapore2015/igo-ingo-crp-access-13feb15-en.mp3</a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls will be posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">George Kirikos – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">David Heasley – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Imran Ahmed Shah – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Lori Schulman - NPOC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Alexander Lerman – Individual</span><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Petter Rindforth – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Phil Corwin – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">David Cake – GNSO Vice Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Kathy Kleiman – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Mason Cole – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Susan Kawaguchi - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Mary Wong<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Glen de Saint Gery<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Steve Chang<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Berry Cobb<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Facilitator from Incite learning<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Chris Robinson<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <b><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript for Friday 13 February 2015</u></b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew: Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG F2F Meeting on the 13th February 2015 in Indiana Room<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:I don't see a microphone icon on my adobe connect<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:should I call in too?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:I now have the mic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:George and I are buddies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jay Chapman:Good morning/evening to all :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Hi everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Lori, I see you mic is active. Did you want to test it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:should I speak?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:I heard Terri and George speaking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Excellent!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Are you able to speak, Lori?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(didn't hear you yet)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:I just said, can you hear me?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:Guess not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Nope. Hmmmmm.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:@Lori, we did not hear you but I do see your mic is active<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Is your computer muted?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:Not muted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Calling 1-866-692-5726 (code = IGO1) might be easier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:I will dialin
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(toll-free)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jay Chapman:testing microphone on cpu....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:I don't hear you yet, Jay. Maybe the toll-free is better?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jay Chapman:10-4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Hello everyone - we will be starting soon. Apologies for the delay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Sling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Good morning to all from Singapore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Hi Phil.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Hello George<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:David Heasley too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:And David as well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> David Heasley:Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:How's the sound coming out for folks on RF?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:RP I mean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Were any IGOs present/observing today?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Sound is good for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:And Lori too :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@George, only WIPO was here in Singapore and unfortunately Brian could not get his flight back changed. He very much wanted to be here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:That would be Brian Beckham, WIPO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:As far as staff can discern, no other IGO representatives involved in this issue were present in Singapore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:Hi Phil. Excited for today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Is everyone in AC also dialed in or otherwise have the ability to speak?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:Congrats Phil on GNSO seat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Thanks Lori<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Well done, Phil, and also on your presentation earlier this week to the GNSO council.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Echo sound is awful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:@Lori, please mute your computer speakers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:That fixed it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Yes, we can.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:@Alexander Lerman, your mic is not active<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> David Heasley:Val can introduce me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:1-866-692-5726 code = IGO1, Alex.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Here's my SOI, for the record:
</span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/George+Kirikos+SOI"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/George+Kirikos+SOI</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Echo again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@George, is there still an echo?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Nope, all good now here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alexander Lerman:Thanks Terri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Alexander, can you type a brief introduction of yourself in this chat?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:We can raise our hand in Adobe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Glen de Saint Gery:please send me your telephone numbers if you would like to call out to you send them to
</span><a href="mailto:glen@icann.org"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">glen@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Are we making a transcript today? (if so, it'd help if speakers identify themselves as they begin to speak)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@George, yes - thanks for the reminder!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:We will be recording via MP3 and transcript, and these will all be posted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:I recognize Kathy's voice anywhere. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Did we receive any further GNSO Constituency responses since our conference call of a few weeks ago?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Terri Agnew:Welcome David Cake<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@George, I believe not; so the only substantive Constituency responses we have so far are from the IPC and ISPCP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:I'm surprised. I thought the 'deadline' was end of Jan?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@George, yes, that's what we had asked.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:It's odd, since on the one hand, they agreed to a PDP, implying this matter was important. But, only 2 are
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:providing us with input. Hmmm.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> David Cake:A constituency can all believe the issue is important, but not all hold the same views so be unable to provide a constituency response.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:It would be helpful if they responded, though, to note the divergence of views.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:With silence, we don't learn much.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:URS is not run by WIPO. So, they don't have a "WIPO views" document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@George, yes - so I believe Phil was referring to just the standing requirement as a general point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:You're in the queue, George.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Thanks, Mary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:They're more like trademark-blocking rights.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:ADNDRC is the 2nd provider.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(see bottom of
</span><a href="http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/urs"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/urs</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Thx George<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Some IGOs do have traditional TMs, in addition to their Article 6ter registrations, of course.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:And, nothing prevents them from obtaining those cheap TM registrations. Recall, TM registrations are on the order of $300 or so for 10 years in many countries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Whereas a UDRP is $1500+ typically.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Yes, and of course if they have registered one or more TMs there is no issue as regards standing based upon them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Exactly. Perhaps one recommendation we can make is that governments allow for cheap/free TM registration fees for IGO applicants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(i.e. USPTO, CIPO in Canada, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Good suggestion!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:It'd complement their Article 6ter rights, and perhaps strengthen/clarify things, but offline and online.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:but=both<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:Given Petter's explanation about what this document is, then Kathy's suggestion for place holder words is OK with me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Lori, yes - no problem with placeholder language as long as there's an understanding that this is not (yet) a proposal to actually amend the language of the
UDRP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Anyone participating remotely who has a question or comment?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Yes, they have standing under common law, even if it's not in Article 6ter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:We got ya, Geroge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:George (sorry)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:https://community.icann.org/display/gnsoicrpmpdp/Sub+Group+B+-+Existing+IGO-INGO+Protections had a link to the Spreadsheet comparing the ICANN Reserved
list to the Article 6ter DB (the 6ter Analysis of Oct 28)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Imran Ahmed Shah:Yes, +1, I also agree on the consensus .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jay Chapman:agree with Phil's summation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:I took down my hand, so we're ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:OK thanks George<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(we're getting close to the planned break, by the way)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@George, noted :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Perhaps we should do a straw poll, as to whether anyone here believes we should amend the UDRP language itself? (i.e. as opposed to just focusing on the
education aspect)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@George, I think that's one of the next agenda items :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:since it seems most/all who spoke seemed to focus on the education aspect (i.e. adding the WIPO Overview Q/A)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:2 minute warning until we resume?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:Sorry for the noise folks. I couldn't hear you so I figured you could not hear me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:We'll be starting again now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:That's an approach that's been rejected by most UDRP panels. -- the so-called "Octogen" analysis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Here's a story about some of the Octogen controversy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:http://domainnamewire.com/2011/03/03/a-landmark-showdown-at-world-intellectual-property-organization/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Imran Ahmed Shah:Regarding Para 2, what is the liability on Registrar or Registry?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Imran, Para 2 and the UDRP more generally does not provide for actions against a Registrar or Registry. These are largely provided for in their respective contracts
with ICANN, which are enforced through ICANN's compliance department.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Imran Ahmed Shah:well, but if a registrant has wrong intention or data provided, is s/he responsible individually or there is any additional responsibility of registrar
to reconfirm?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:This topic is somewhat conflated with immmunity, so it might be wise to wait until we've discused that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Yes, Phil, plus volunteers are overloaded, so the prior schedule was probably ambitious.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:We could even bump up the 1:30 stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Since it's more related to standing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:I agree with George's suggestion of shuffling the order of discussion. It is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:It's unfortunate that Paul Keating isn't here, as he put forth the 4th idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Here's the UNITAID case:
</span><a href="http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2012-1922"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2012-1922</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:It wouldn't require govts to bring forth the case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:But, if IGOs didn't want to agree to mutual jurisdiction, that would be an option for them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Because, just like UNIFEM, if the national govt decides not to act, the IGO has no choice at all, but *must* agree to enforce things in the courts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Furthermore, it's entire consistent with Article 6ter, as it's the national governments who are signatories to the treaties.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:It's the signatories to the treaties who have the obligations, no one else.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:We could agree not to accomodate the IGOs at all, which I'd find acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:The idea of the proxy complainant was just a way to accomodate, while still preserving the appeal rights of domain name registrants, thus balancing things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(compared to the alternative of giving IGOs 100% of what they want, and depriving registrants of their rights, which IMHO is entirely unbalanced.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Paul Keating's alternative, of course, was the limited waiver, limiting the downside risk of mutual jurisdiction simply to the domain, and not legal costs,
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Do we know how many IGOs are eligible for .INT?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(not how many registered, but rather 'What's the universe...?')<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:+1 Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Welcome, Kristine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristine Dorrain:Hi...I popped in for a little bit. No mic so I'll listen and type in the chat if I have something to add.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Kristine: you can dial in, 1-866-692-5726, code = IGO1 (or IGO2)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:toll-free in North America<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristine Dorrain:Thanks...I need to use headphones bc people are sleeping at my house :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:As part of our charter, we were asked to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Oops, nevermind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Correct, Phil. It's a 'reserved list'.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:It blocks any attempt to register in new gTLDs, regardless of how the domain would be used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> K:Hi All, the "K" is me - Kathy Kleiman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:So, eco.horse can't be registered, or eco.cars.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> K:http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4807:52zd7x.1.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> K:Link to Trademark Database<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> K:of the US<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:That link won't work, Kathy -- you'd need to click on the TSDR, and link to that.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:e.g.
</span><a href="http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=89000177&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=89000177&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(for UNESCO)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Berry Cobb:https://www.iana.org/cgi-bin/intreg/intreg.pl<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristine Dorrain:You beat me to it Berry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Berry Cobb:Quick draw McBerry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> K:I agree with Phil completely that .INT is likely an ancient and pre-ICANN criteria.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Probably right, Kathy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Even the GAC criteria was somewhat ad hoc, but the .int ones would have been even more 'casual', as opposed to the rigour of this PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:The .int criteria at
</span><a href="http://www.iana.org/domains/int/policy"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://www.iana.org/domains/int/policy</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Berry Cobb:To register in the .int domain, the applicant must be an intergovernmental organization that meets the requirements found in RFC 1591. In brief, the .int domain
is used for registering organizations established by international treaties between or among national governments. Only one registration is allowed for each organization. There is no fee for registering an .int domain name.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Berry Cobb:https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:RFC 1591 was from 1994.
</span><a href="https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:If we believe in RFC 1591, it says "In case of a dispute between domain name registrants as to the rights to a particular name, the registration authority
shall have no role or responsibility other than to provide the contact information to both parties."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:That rejects the idea of the UDRP. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristine Dorrain:For .int. Its still an option for .com<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristine Dorrain:Presumably if IANA is reviewing .int applications, there isn't a lot of infringment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Kritistine: That was for all com/net/org/int/edu-- it was 1994, pre-UDRP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristine Dorrain:Yes, that was originally the case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Berry Cobb:19 March, next Council meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Organizations with Observer Status of the UN qualified for .int, it seems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:http://www.un.org/en/ga/about/observers.shtml<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Oddly, that might include the Holy See and Palestine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:It'd include these:
</span><a href="http://www.un.org/en/members/intergovorg.shtml"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://www.un.org/en/members/intergovorg.shtml</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:some (all?) of which appear on the ICANN Reserved List (we'd have to cross-check them)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Conceivably we can use as a starting point the list provided by the GAC (which was our initial "scope"), and simply trim it, based on Article 6ter?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(i.e. we might be expanding our scope, if we go beyond the GAC list, i.e. the existing reserved list)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Berry Cobb:http://www.statdns.com/files/zone.int<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Berry Cobb:retrienved June 2012.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:11 mins until "lunch" break (or midnight break in Eastern time).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:GAC cared enough to compel the ICANN Board to put all those names on the reserved list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:See ya in 45 mins.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Just FYI - the GNSO policy staff provides the GAC with monthly briefing papers on ongoing PDPs (including this one). We can work with Mason to ensure that this
WG's communications/questions to the GAC are funneled through the most effective way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alex:Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:We are breaking for 45 minutes - back in session at 13:15 Singapore time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kristine Dorrain:Thanks. I'll try to be back but I have to work in the morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:I will call back in\ later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Lori Schulman:j/ts ,late here in DC but I will hang on as late as I cann<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Are we all back yet?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Steve Chan:Just about to reconvene<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Great. Feeling sleepy and incoherent here, but will do my best to stick around until 4 am.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Val Sherman:+1 George<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Exactly, Phil.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:WIPO maintains a list of cases at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/challenged/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:however it's not complete. Probably under 1% of UDRP cases ever go to court.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:I can't recall what we asked them, but do we know how the IGOs enforce their alleged rights in the offline world?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(e.g. someone sells UNESCO t-shirts, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:I'm assuming that UNESCO can't compel the t-shirt seller to an international tribunal of their choosing, in that scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Who is that proposal from? I can make my own 'wish list'.... :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:I found an interesting Canadian case here:
</span><a href="http://www.canlii.org/en/ns/nsca/doc/2011/2011nsca73/2011nsca73.html"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://www.canlii.org/en/ns/nsca/doc/2011/2011nsca73/2011nsca73.html</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
which discusses the nature and limits of IGO immunities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:8The foregoing analysis leads me to the conclusion that NAFO is not entitled to complete other [sic] absolute immunity from legal process in Canadian courts.
Rather, NAFO is entitled to immunity from legal process to the extent, and only to the extent, that it can show that immunity in a particular case is "required for performance of its functions"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:We should put this case in our wiki -- it has lots of interesting findings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Actually, this case was then appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada, and their ruling is at:
</span><a href="http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/2013/2013scc66/2013scc66.html"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/2013/2013scc66/2013scc66.html</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
(still reading)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Bingo! " For NAFO to perform its functions, however, it does not require immunity from A’s separation indemnity claim. The separation indemnity does not
interfere with NAFO’s functions. Indeed, NAFO recognizes that it owes a separation indemnity to A under its Staff Rules and concedes that the NAFO Immunity Order does not immunize it from A’s claim. "<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:This is a demonstration that IGO immunity is not absolute.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:NAFO, by the way, has
</span><a href="http://www.nafo.int"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">www.nafo.int</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Atlantic_Fisheries_Organization<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:It's an IGO.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Steve Chan:@George, I went ahead and added your two cases to the WIki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Important Language: However, no rule of customary international law confers immunity on international organizations. Instead, they derive their immunity
from treaties, or in the case of smaller international organizations like NAFO, from agreements with host states.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:This means that in countires outside the host country, they don't have immunity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:countries, even<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Another important document:
</span><a href="http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/796050?sid=21105341349941&uid=2&uid=3739448&uid=3737720&uid=4"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/796050?sid=21105341349941&uid=2&uid=3739448&uid=3737720&uid=4</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:That was a Supreme Court of Canada case, the highest court in the nation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Another document showing it's not absolute, see:
</span><a href="https://books.google.ca/books?id=kd9bIjlpVfcC&pg=PA327&lpg=PA327&dq=igos+absolute+immunity&source=bl&ots=1yX77Ml3x8&sig=RhLeuROE1jJKVyMxOODtrptTloY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FJbdVO3EJMaZsQTArIHICA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=igos%20absolute%20immunity&f=false"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">https://books.google.ca/books?id=kd9bIjlpVfcC&pg=PA327&lpg=PA327&dq=igos+absolute+immunity&source=bl&ots=1yX77Ml3x8&sig=RhLeuROE1jJKVyMxOODtrptTloY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FJbdVO3EJMaZsQTArIHICA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=igos%20absolute%20immunity&f=false</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:http://www.earthrights.org/blog/us-court-rejects-absolute-immunity-international-organizations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:"In a decision with potentially far-reaching implications, a U.S. court recently rejected the idea that international organizations enjoy absolute immunity
from suit in the United States. "<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(2010 case)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(I simply did a Google search for "IGO absolute immunity") (without the quotes) to find these cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:For the Canadian cases, I searched on CanLII.org.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Organization of American States case --
</span><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8BumVFgLIeoJ:www.oas.org/legal/english/IMMUNITY_WB_111110.doc+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=opera"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8BumVFgLIeoJ:www.oas.org/legal/english/IMMUNITY_WB_111110.doc+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=opera</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:" Article 133 of the OAS Charter provides that the Organization shall have “such legal capacity and privileges and immunities necessary for the exercise
of its functions and the accomplishment of its purposes.” That immunity is clearly functional in scope. "<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary: could we please add to the notes that IGOs might already have agreed to the waiver of certain jurisdictional rights by virtue of their existing Registration
contracts for domain names? Tx!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, that's been brought up a few times in prior WG discussions, I believe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@Mary: can we add it to the notes of what *we* will need to consider going forward. It seems quite key.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:We also know they've expressly waived immunity, by bringing UDRP complaints. I.e. the World Bank case.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:i.e. an IGO that brought a UDRP....imagine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@George: exactly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:That World Bank case was
</span><a href="http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0222.html"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2002/d2002-0222.html</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:@George, just checked it out. Good decision; good point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:The Unitaid and World Bank case were posted to the WG wiki following WG discussions several weeks ago; Steve has just added a new subsection for the question
of absolute sovereign immunity to the same page.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Those same scams exist on domains that don't infringe marks, though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Suppose I put up a phishing site for UNESCO on
</span><a href="http://www.kjghkshg.biz"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">www.kjghkshg.biz</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> -- they can't file a UDRP in that case. How do they obtain relief?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Right, due process concerns should be paramount.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Val: actually, IGOs wouldn't be giving up their right of appeal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:They'd only be be saying they don't agree to mutual jurisdiction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:(they want to preserve absolute immunity from others launching appeals)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:who is keeping track of all of these excellent questions being raised??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:The transcript/MP3 recording.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:But it would be great to see the evolution of these questions in Notes section of our group document (to the right)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@kathy, we are keeping notes as you see, but we don't do live transcriptions, like the official ICANN scribes do and are qualified to do :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:The transcript and recording will be published when they're available, and we will flesh out the notes and questions based on reviewing these at that point (per
usual WG practice).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kathy:OK, tx Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Are we still going for the next 2 hours?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:@George, unlikely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Ok. Approaching 2 am in the Eastern part of North America.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:We're starting again<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Yep, still here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Hanging on. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:We appreciate it, George and everyone who's up so late!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jay Chapman:zzzz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jay Chapman:jk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:hehe Jay. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:I hope those in Singapore have a safe trip home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jay Chapman:Thanks everyone. Good day and good night! Safe travels home to all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Val Sherman:Thanks all!
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Philip Corwin:Thanks to all our WG members.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Is there a link to the survey?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> George Kirikos:Bye everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Imran Ahmed Shah:Thanks All.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mary Wong:Good night all, thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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