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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the MP3 recording for IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Wednesday,</div>
<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">18 March 2015 at 1700 UTC at: </font><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ingo-group-18mar15-en.mp3" style="font-size: medium;">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ingo-group-18mar15-en.mp3</a></div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On page:</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Attendees: </div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">George Kirikos - Individual</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Petter Rindforth – IPC</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Phil Corwin – BC</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Val Sherman - IPC</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Jay Chapman – Individual</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Jim Bikoff – IPC</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Kathy Kleiman - NCUC</div>
<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Paul Keating - NCUC</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mason Cole – RySG</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mailing list archives:<a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/</a></div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Wiki page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/97rhAg">https://community.icann.org/x/97rhAg</a></div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thank you.</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Kind regards,</div>
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<div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednesday, 18 March 2015:</b></div>
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<div style="font-size: medium;">Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 18th March 2015</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jay Chapman:Hello, everyone. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Petter Rindforth:Hello!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Hi everyone.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:hello</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Taking a few minutes to get to a live person on the dial-in.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Hi Paul.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jay Chapman:Hi George</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Hey Jay.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:i will be onlyh in chat most lilely</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:There is a number for Spain (looks free?) 800-300-053</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Code = IGO</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Hi Osvaldo.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@George, @Paul, thanks so much for your emails on the sovereign immunity issue. The co-chairs have not had the chance to go through the suggestions in detail, but rest assured that the conversation will continue on
the list and no note will be sent out until the WG has fully reviewed the documents, as amended.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Everyone should have scrolling ability.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Note on Question 3: the reference to "this problem" refers to the sovereign immunity issue (the WG had an explanatory paragraph on this in our letter that is omitted from this consolidated document).</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Similarly for Question 4: "this" means the cost issue.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Petter Rindforth:Well it seems that will be some money left over for this ,-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:The discussion that Phil refers to at the GNSO Council level is for setting up a Cross Community Working Group to deliberate the issue of auction proceeds. As such, if one is established, it will likely be some time
before any concrete recommendations are agreed on.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:The Nominet DRS fees can be a lot lower than UDRP, in the event of no response. See:<a href="http://www.nominet.org.uk/disputes/resolving-domain-disputes/how-it-works">http://www.nominet.org.uk/disputes/resolving-domain-disputes/how-it-works</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:(just £200 + VAT for a summary decision)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Nominet is subsidized by the UK</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:And the community roundly rejected WIPO's proposal for a Summary Decision process I think...(dusting the cobwebs off my brain)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:If complaints do receive some subsidy from ICANN, it should also subsidize the cost of a 3-person panel (i.e. if Respondent asks for the larger panel).</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@ phil, Nominet is not funded by the UK governmentl</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I agree with Jim. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@Phil, I think you are correct. It is not absoute. It is factyual specific. Hwo is the IGO using the asserted mark> If not related to their soverigne status then they should not argue about immunity.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@ hil, please see my email.on the proposed letter.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:Thanks Jim good commments.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Nathalie Peregrine:Kathy Kleiman has joined</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:Thanks Jim, good commments</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@George, the issue of Sov. Imm is their waiver of any Sov imm question upon submission of UDRP complaint.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:discovery, etc is an issue relevant to the local jurisdiction to whcih they have agreedbased on the MJ consent</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Side comment, the cost of discovery and cross examination would add significantly to attorneys fees...</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:sorry but that is not the only issue Phil. They can be liable for damages as shown in Parvi.org (130K) in damages). once they submit to jurisdiction they are subject to the rules of the local court and we cannot
control those issues.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:that is my hand raise.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Right, I don't actually want a new dispute policy....it's more of trying to get a sense of what aspects of the courts they're concerned about. Is it the damages aspect? (in which case the limited waiver solves
things).</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@phil - please look at chat</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:If they care about courts cross-examining them, or asking for discovery of documents, then that means they oppose having a really-in-depth and quality arbitration process.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:fine with me re revision. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@mary, is the chat in these sessions included in the record></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@mary, we should have access to this historical information</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:The chats are archived to the mailing list.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:e.g. scroll down in <a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2015-March/000300.html">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2015-March/000300.html</a>for last week's chat.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@Paul - yes, each public chat session is saved (as George has noted) and we publish them along with the recordings and transcript for each week on the WG wiki.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@mary, thank you. can you possibly assemble those as a packages and sent them to us all or at least a link so that we have them avaiable when we view the letter>?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@Paul, did you mean this specific chat or all the chats from all the WG calls?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Amusingly, even Switzerland (home to many IGOs) has a jurisdiction clause for Zurich, for .ch domains, see <a href="https://www.nic.ch/reg/cm/wcm-page/disputes/rules_v1.jsp">https://www.nic.ch/reg/cm/wcm-page/disputes/rules_v1.jsp</a> (rule
12(c)(ii))</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:agreed rea INGOS</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:agreed re already have standing but disagree that clarificadtnion is needed.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:we need more datea and more research. </div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:thanks Jim</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Yes, more data on the extent of the problem, as it's never really been provided by the IGOs.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:rea Paris Convention notation and no regisstration should be included in Clearning House. No. They shouldobtain registration.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Good point, Phil. Adding Article 6ter marks (the 3000+ or so of them, minus the logos) wouldn't be too hard to add to teh TMCH.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:(although, a policy decision as to whether they *should* be added)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:@ Mary, but we still need to respond to the question.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Some IGOs are very well funded, by the way, moreso than other complainants.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@Paul, yes - I meant only that our WG should not be making recommendations on how to resolve that outstanding issue.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Petter is a panelist</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:not that I recall.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:I think there was a concern about them providing input into the rules?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:Lets reach out to WIJPO.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Isn't WIPO part of the IGOs small group?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:I agree, I think we decided Panelist input would be a possible problem</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Paul Keating:I think we should ask th e ADR providers.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@George, yes it is, and also an Observer to this WG so it follows our mailing list discussions.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Means eligibility, standing, identity verification, sov immunity</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Authentication criteria might refer to the validity of claimed marks, i.e. checking against the Article 6ter DB?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@George, I think it was a general concept with something like TMCH authentication in mind</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Thanks, Mary.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:No worries!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Note that the text in red was added by the Non Commercial SG prior to adoption by the Council.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Theose last 3 points seem to be related to recommendations, i.e. if we decide a new policy/mechanism is needed, then those would be things to consider.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:The staff view was that if the WG was to recommend either amending or developiing a new DRP, that it would be careful to include balancing factors to act as safeguards.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Is the Wiki accurate? I don't see the WIPO folks on the list as observers, hmm.<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48347895">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48347895</a></div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:(plus a bunch of people who've been pretty quiet)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Good spot, George - thank you! We will update the wiki accordingly.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:I think you summarized it well, Phil, tx you!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Was it only the Business Constituency that didn't send us input?</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:(or the registrars too?)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:@George, Registrars, BC, NCSG, NCUC, NPOC</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Oh, surprised that so many didn't respond.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:And the other SO/ACs - ccNSO, ASO, RSSAC, ALAC, GAC.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Although the GAC did respond to say it will respond :)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:hehehe</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Better than complete silence, though. :-)</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:LOL</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> George Kirikos:Have a nice day/evening, everyone.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kristine Dorrain-NAF:Thanks Phil</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Osvaldo Novoa:By all</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Jay Chapman:Thanks, Phil. Goodbye everyone.</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Mary Wong:Thanks everybody!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Kathy Kleiman:By All, tx you!</div>
<div style="font-size: medium;"> Val Sherman:thanks all!</div>
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