<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Same here I concur with George<br><br></div>Kind Regards<br><br></div>Poncelet.<br><div><div><br><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 June 2015 at 14:25, Jay Chapman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jay@digimedia.com" target="_blank">jay@digimedia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I agree with George as well. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Jay</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 10, 2015 8:35 AM, "Paul Keating" <<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es" target="_blank">Paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I agree with George on these which is why my suggested revisions removed<br>
these proposed questions.<br>
<br>
PRK<br>
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On 6/10/15 2:09 PM, "George Kirikos" <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>For point/question #3, in particular:<br>
><br>
>"What if the Mutual Jurisdiction requirement specified that, to apply<br>
>to IGOs, it has to be a jurisdiction of one of its member states?"<br>
><br>
>I don't see how this could ever be acceptable to registrants. For<br>
>example, for a North American registrant using a North American<br>
>registrar, an IGO consisting of member states from Iran, Iraq, Syria<br>
>and Turkey might place the "mutual jurisdiction" in one of those 4<br>
>countries that have absolutely nothing to do with the registrant,<br>
>rather than in North America.<br>
><br>
>The same would apply to the rest of point #3, i.e. allowing the IGO to<br>
>"forum shop" by selecting a jurisdiction of a member state. For a<br>
>court to even have jurisdiction over a registrant, there must be some<br>
>connection to the underlying dispute and parties. That has normally<br>
>been (a) location of registrant, (b) location of registrar, or (c)<br>
>location of registry operator.<br>
><br>
>I know these are just 'exploratory' questions, but I don't see why any<br>
>legitimacy should be attached to ad hoc proposals like the above by<br>
>submitting them to 'experts' in the first place. This should be about<br>
>fact-finding, not an informal 'negotiation' with IGOs.<br>
>Conclusions/solutions should flow from the facts. Putting out possible<br>
>'solutions' first, and then trying to come up with some 'rationale' to<br>
>justify them later is the wrong way to do things, in my opinion.<br>
><br>
>Sincerely,<br>
><br>
>George Kirikos<br>
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>On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Dear WG members,<br>
>><br>
>> The proposed agenda for our next meeting, scheduled for Wednesday 10<br>
>>June,<br>
>> is as follows:<br>
>><br>
>> Roll call/updates to SOI<br>
>> Discuss and finalize questions for independent legal expert (see<br>
>>attached<br>
>> for draft document from the WG co-chairs)<br>
>> Planning for WG meeting in Buenos Aires/next steps<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> It may be that we will not need the full hour; however, Petter and Phil<br>
>> would like the group to have this call prior to the open meeting we are<br>
>> scheduled to have in Buenos Aires, on Wednesday 24 June at 10.00 a.m.<br>
>>ART<br>
>> (local time). For those WG members who will not be present in Buenos<br>
>>Aires,<br>
>> the usual remote participation facilities will be available, and we¹ll<br>
>>send<br>
>> call-in and other details prior to the date.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks and cheers<br>
>> Mary<br>
>><br>
>> Mary Wong<br>
>> Senior Policy Director<br>
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)<br>
>> Telephone: <a href="tel:%2B1%20603%20574%204889" value="+16035744889" target="_blank">+1 603 574 4889</a><br>
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