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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance and MP3 recording for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held </span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">on Thursday, 04
August 2016 at 16:00 UTC at: <o:p></o:p></span><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-04aug16-en.mp3
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On page:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#august">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#august</a></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mason Cole - RySG</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<u><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for </span></b><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thursday, 04 August 2016</span></b></u></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Michelle DeSmyter:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the Thursday, 04 August 2016</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Wiki Page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/IgCsAw">https://community.icann.org/x/IgCsAw</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi folks.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Hello George!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Michelle, ma belle...these are words that go together well. :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Michelle. How are you?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Yes, they do! :) Very well, thank you!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:So, is anyone else excited about Suicide Squad (opening this week)?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hear you very well.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:The film was shot in Toronto.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Welcome, Phil.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:1 staff for every participant (5 to 5) :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Hi George</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Paul.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:Hi George, everyone.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hey Jay.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Emily is the newest member of the ICANN GNSO Policy Staff and is observing a number of WGs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:It's unsynced</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Thanks for updating "A" to reflect the licensee option.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, you're welcome (and we will also update the RPM WG document in that PDP as well :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, all - it may also be helpful to seek feedback from the providers as to what difficulties (if any) there may be with any of these options.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Petter Rindforth:I agree, so far we are talking about already accepted proof of rights</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:That was Paul Keating's suggestion, not mine.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(although, I agree with it, since it maintains the status quo)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:On Option C - staff notes that the GAC did not make a distinction between the UN and other IGOs; however, it remains an option due to what seems to be the different treatment in int'l law of at least the
UN (and possibly its specialized agencies).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:That is so, Phil.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:doesn;t need to be "|registered"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:+1 Paul. I think most panels would accept unregistered 'common law' rights.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:it's the underlying use that is being protected</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Yes, and that would be the case if the IGO chose to rely on its TM rights (registered or not) in filing a UDRP - which is the status quo.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Both sides could voluntarily agree to binding arbitration (as they can now, without changing the UDRP). Of course, I have a big problem (as do others) compelling a registrant to give up their legal
rights to access their national courts.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Re: "pool of cases" is small --- the same can be said "what are the BENEFITS" :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Note that these Considerations are summaries of comments made by WG members in previous meetings.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:(ie not staff observations :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Thanks, Phil :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Oops, sorry George :(</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Courts have a range of sanctions too</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Reflecting econmic rationality, disputes will go to court only when the stakes are high (i.e. the domain name is very valuable). That's when folks will want all the protection that the courts provide.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:UDRP is perfect for "low value" domains, i.e. kind of like small claims court.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Where an IGO has a dispute over a very valuable domain name, it should waive its immunity (just as it would have to for other kinds of disputes over high value assets).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Also there are capital values and income values</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Apple and Samsung chose courts, rather than arbitration. When the stakes are high, most litigants want the protection of the courts.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:interesting Mary thank you for raising it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:You're very welcome, Paul!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:HI, my apologies for being late</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Hi Lori, welcome!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Welcome, Lori.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I'd love to hear from Gary.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(since he might have input from GAC)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Petter Rindforth:Through guidance</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:I would like to follow up and ask for the getting the batting average of UNCITRAL in terms of the ratio of decisions in favor of and against UN agencies. I know that there is a concern with optics</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:but I would rather be armed with data</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Olympic hiatus :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:if we don't support the UNCITRAL option</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:OK with Hiatus</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Lori - we can try but as it's procedural rules only and not a single institution administering arbitrations unde the Rules, I'm not sure we can get any reliable data.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Since they are private disputes (mostly) in various venues, with the only commonality being the parties' agreement to use the UNCITRAL Rules.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:so there is no data on how the rules work?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Lori, we don't know - just noting that it may be hard to get reliable data as there's no single institutional source.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:Ok. I understand.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:I am not comfortable ruling it out if we don't have any data. I am in the dark in this. Not my area of expertise at all.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Lori: I found <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2526302">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2526302</a> doing a Google search. It was more of a survey data,
though, not actual stats.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Not that staff doesn't want to do the legwork, but they also cover all kinds of commercial disputes.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:Thanks George.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:Mary, I understand your concern.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, not really "bare bones" per se, but more procedural in nature.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:I will reach out to Brian Beckham at WIPO and ask</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:He would have that data I think</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Should we use the AGREE button?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(if we agree with the proposal)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:sorry, erroneous hand</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lori:Good plan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Phil, will do</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Have a nice August, everyone! Bye.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Chapman:thanks, all!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:thanks all bye </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:have a great vacation, Phil and Petter! :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Petter Rindforth:Thanks!</div>
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