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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the attendance and MP3 recording along with the AC recording and chat below for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection
PDP WG Meeting held on Thursday, </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">14 September 2017<span style="color:black"> at 16:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-pdp-14sep17-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-pdp-14sep17-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">AC Recording: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p8qeyo3hc75/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=00c812ada3468bdbf76ab76ba262cba38f6b379ff1ecf84d6fb621aa57924c15"><b><span style="color:black;background:white">https://participate.icann.org/p8qeyo3hc75/</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday,
</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">14 September<span style="color:black"> 2017</span></span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the IGO INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP Working Group on Thursday, 14 September 2017 at 16:00 UTC
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_hSkhB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=3sOO3lbNkgVyBHA-6sNr2jT7a2AihjQCvD6psPM_Ebw&s=H3ganCxIysD8b3a07oPb61YkaaxLzNGsKbJBMdskcbc&e">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Hi folks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:hello George!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Hi Julie.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:If I'm the only PDP participant in attendance today, it'll be easier to form a final consensus. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Hi Mason & Phil.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mason Cole:Greetings all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:Hello all. Petter has a conflict and won't be joining today.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:Hello everyone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Welcome Paul.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:its better<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:it's<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:We have pasted feedback received from Paul Keating via email to this revised diagram in the Notes pod on the right.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Welcome Osvaldo Novoa <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I'm late<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Welcome Osvaldo.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:It would be permissible to appeal to higher courts.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:Do we also have to define the provider(s), the governing law and the rules or arbitration?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Welcome Jay Chapman<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jay Chapman:Forgive my being late<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Welcome Jay.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jay Chapman:Thanks, George<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:2nd question is easier.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:+1 Phil<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Chan:There is a callout (highlighted in blue) on the chart, noting where this option is possibly envisioned.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Conceivably it can be for the box above that, right.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:In addition to the current box, not to replace it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Perhaps send it to the mailing list, for further thinking.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:George’s solution seems more elegant<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:It would just be another option, though, Paul. i.e. some might find it better to wait until the UDRP panel has weighed in.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:Paul K wanted it to be for all UDRPs <o:p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:they would have to close the judical rigts if it went to arbitration<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:I personally wouldn't expect to make that choice for myself, but it might be an option for someone else, depending on the circumstances.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:That might have been a typo.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:(by Paul K)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:We'd not be able to change the arbitration for all respondents (that's something the RPM PDP might be able to do, but beyond our scope).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:IGO can't raise immunity defence in an "in rem" case, since they're not actually being sued. (i.e. that's why Option 6 is so interesting).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jay Chapman:Paul's concern there is my greater concern with creating any type of arbitration appeal - other groups may be encouraged to seek their own appeal process<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Staff agrees that recommending arbitration is likely beyond the PDP scope.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Very true, Jay.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:If an arbitration and Judical options were both open to a registrant could try the arbitration if that was lost he could then try the judical route<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Yes, sorry for not being clearer<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Paul: But the idea of going to arbitration is to give up the right to access the court.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Paul T, the arbitration would be binding.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:(taking off staff hat) I'm not a public international law expert but I would think that the IGO will, as a rule, still be able to assert jurisdictional immunity as it is still a party to the dispute - unless perhaps the
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Default judgement.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jay Chapman:agree Phil<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Right, Phil.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jay Chapman:To be clear - not all of us have tentatively agreed to an arbitration option. Still listening though<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:+1 Jay :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:Good poin Jay I think we're only exploring if alternatives are workable<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/tlds/accountants/accountants-agmt-html-20mar14-en.htm (5.2)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mason Cole:Would love to share, George, but out of my remit. I'd have to defer to our legal team, and you're right, can't comment on .web.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Right, don't want to force any comment....just curious if the ICC rules seemed "fair".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:(since those are what ICANN and registry operators have appeared to agree to, or were compelled to agree to)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:@Mary did you have chance to find the Ki-moon letter?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Chan:@Paul, Mary stepped away to another meeting, even if it looks like she's present. I'll follow up with her.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:I think there was an arbitration via ICC, see:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_governance_litigation-2Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=3sOO3lbNkgVyBHA-6sNr2jT7a2AihjQCvD6psPM_Ebw&s=IwG_RSOFnaDHjn29tdsh0_hAw57vFsIfc58MFiRZtjA&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_governance_litigation-2Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=3sOO3lbNkgVyBHA-6sNr2jT7a2AihjQCvD6psPM_Ebw&s=IwG_RSOFnaDHjn29tdsh0_hAw57vFsIfc58MFiRZtjA&e</a>=
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:OpenTLD v. ICANN<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Also Employ Media v. ICANN<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:Thanks Steve appreciated<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jay Chapman:Thanks, all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Osvaldo Novoa:Thank you, bye<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Bye folks. Have a great day.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Paul Tattersfield:Thanks all bye<o:p></o:p></p>
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