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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:16.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the attendance, MP3 recording, AC recording and AC chat below for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on
Thursday, </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">5 October 2017<span style="color:black"> at 16:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><b><span style="color:black">AC Recording: </span></b>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday,
</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">5 October<span style="color:black"> 2017</span></span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Thursday, 05 October 2017 at 16:00 UTC
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_zIZEB&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=pd15Ya3ab1t2CZXPBeau6e2QtYcy9JB7TNigjb4aIhI&s=oAjFVZcsE4I543lU-QvN9xaamkWEQbCjGgcXAGnK-L0&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_zIZEB&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=pd15Ya3ab1t2CZXPBeau6e2QtYcy9JB7TNigjb4aIhI&s=oAjFVZcsE4I543lU-QvN9xaamkWEQbCjGgcXAGnK-L0&e</a>=
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Hi folks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Chan:Welcome George, Petter<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Thanks, Steve.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Petter Rindforth:Thanks. Hope that we will see more WG members joining us today...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Julie Bisland:Welcome Jay Chapman<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jay Chapman:Thanks, Julie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:There was a very interesting article on DomainNameWire.com, that shows how US authorities seize alleged illegal pharmacy-related domain names, see:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__domainnamewire.com_2017_10_03_domain-2Dseizure-2Dcat-2Dmouse_&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=pd15Ya3ab1t2CZXPBeau6e2QtYcy9JB7TNigjb4aIhI&s=iETtXOgHnnWks1cCAfmWKBxbHPfMKj1buwRupBvJbJY&e">
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:It's clear that IGOs could use options like that, for clearly illegal sites (e.g. disaster scams, etc.), as a complete alternative to the UDRP/URS.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Chan:I believe it was at the request of Council.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:I am fine with all the proposed edits on pages 1 and 2 prior to the heading General Principles for Binding Arbitration<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:That's part of the built-in data collection (helps avoid the problems in other PDPs, like the RPM one).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Interesting article at: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justice.gc.ca_eng_rp-2Dpr_csj-2Dsjc_dprs-2Dsprd_res_drrg-2Dmrrc_06.html&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=pd15Ya3ab1t2CZXPBeau6e2QtYcy9JB7TNigjb4aIhI&s=08bggRq5TXjQJpy40irtRgFpDLwUf2n1hKyZ9ybqIF8&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justice.gc.ca_eng_rp-2Dpr_csj-2Dsjc_dprs-2Dsprd_res_drrg-2Dmrrc_06.html&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=pd15Ya3ab1t2CZXPBeau6e2QtYcy9JB7TNigjb4aIhI&s=08bggRq5TXjQJpy40irtRgFpDLwUf2n1hKyZ9ybqIF8&e</a>=
"....., if the parties cannot agree on a choice, the appointment will be made by a court upon the request of a party." I raised this point last week, as a simplification --- why not let the court appoint the arbitrators and venue (if the parties can't agree)?
i.e. we want to take this out of ICANN's hands, to the maximum extent possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:@George--I'm not sure we can rely on court to take any future action once it decides that IGO's immunity claim is valid<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Phil: the immunity claim might be valid, but then the arbitration clause would come into.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:More correctly, any additional acton<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jay Chapman:Good suggestion, George<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Welcome Mary!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Thanks and hello George and everyone, apologies for being delayed by another concurrent call.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:+1 to a backup.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Judicial action has to be "finally" dismissed (e.g. could always appeal the court's immunity decision to a higher court).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:If if it's "mutual", not a big concern.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:-1 if in that sentence. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:So george, you are proposing that if, for example, we give the registrant X days to decide to file for arbitration following a decision that immunity exists, we also allow registrant to appeal the immunity decision --
I am OK with adding that to Option C, as we have decided not to limit the legal rights of either party<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Phil: Yes, it was my understanding that I'm not changing anything here, that it was always supposed to be a final decision on immunity.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:e.g. if one loses in the Ontario courts on immunity, registrant (or IGO) could then appeal to the Ontario Court of Appeal, then the Supreme Court of Canada.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:That is a good clarification and shopuld be added to Option C details, along with that if IGO refuses to enter arbitration the UDRP decision is permanently stayed<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Once that decision is no longer appealable (under time limits of the various countries), then the clock starts ticking on the arbitration options.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:https://community.icann.org/x/97rhAg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=48347895 has the list of members.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Thereabouts, Phil, yes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Perhaps use words like "exhausted" all court appeals, etc. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Exhausted == describes our 3 year PDP :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Plus there are the presentations at the public ICANN meetings, too.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:I have one more comment on this, if I may<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@George - would the arbitration be stayed if the appeal on immunity goes forward?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Mary: yes, I would think that if one files an appeal in the courts on the immunity issue within the time limit, the status quo would be maintained.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:One would be notifying the REGISTRAR at that time, no longer the UDRP provider.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:That's my suggestion, but of course the WG is free to discuss<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:That suggestion that Petter just made is already incorporated into the document (last sentence of Option C, on page 2).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:https://domainnamewire.com/2017/10/03/domain-seizure-cat-mouse/<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:No one here is trying to protect cybersquatters, etc., or the bad guys.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Just trying to ensure due process, for the good guys.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:Agreed -- we should aim for Oct 12<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:OK thanks, staff will work with Phil and Petter on both the webinar (Oct 12) and on circulating the next version of this options paper<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <a href="mailto:Imran@UISoc.org">Imran@UISoc.org</a> 2:My question is that what is schedule of Webinar, and if it is planned to cover-up the gap for non-active users, it will be usefull if, it is planned before the Consensus call....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/discussion-igo-rc/2017-September/date.html (Jonathan Passaro inquiry)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Imran, yes, I believe we will be aiming to do the webinar next Thursday (October 12)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <a href="mailto:Imran@UISoc.org">Imran@UISoc.org</a> 2:Oh, that is good to makup...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion-igo-rc "Discussion-igo-rc -- Small discussion group concerning IGO and Red Cross identifiers"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:He's in Paris, I believe, so the time zone burdens should be less for him than those in North America. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Phil, I believe that is correct - no plans for any facilitated discussion at ICANN60 at this point<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Right now it's 9:17 pm in Abu Dhabi (8 hours difference to Toronto).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Looks like just 2.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:I think you meant Phil, not George.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:Saturday's Abu Dhabi weather -- high 100, low 85 !<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Thanks, George - we will do our best<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Thanks, Mary.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Staff will follow up with Petter and Phil on the webinar soonest.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Bye folks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <a href="mailto:Imran@UISoc.org">Imran@UISoc.org</a> 2:Thanks and Good Bye<o:p></o:p></p>
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