<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div>Hi Phil,</div><div><br></div><div>With all respect,</div><div><br></div><div>I am not aware of the multiple policy rationales. I have seen many statements regarding balancing of interests, etc. None of these are factually or legally based. If there is a listing of factually based reasons I ask that it be sent to the group as a single document. I also request that we stop characterizing subjective impressions as factual evidence.</div><div><br></div><div>It seems to me that we must first determine if in fact there is actually a problem. This is where you all are – pardon the phrase – skipping the line. You are jumping to format a solution before it is shown that a problem actually exists.</div><div><br></div><div>Because I can see no problem to fix, I cannot see any rationale (policy based or otherwise) to create a “solution” - particularly one as detrimental to the interests of domain registrants as that being considered.</div><div><br></div><div>IF, it is the intention to include in the report a variety of “solutions”, then the report must, IMHO,</div><div><br></div><div>Confirm that no facts exists that evidence a problem is in fact present</div><div>Review each of the proposals and include both the facts and legal positions in favor and against each proposal,</div><div><br></div><div>Conclude that none of the solutions are in fact required</div><div><br></div><div>If there is to be a recommended proposal (other than a no change), then I believe the correct way of addressing the issue is to create the report as noted above and seek public review of the report and each of the alternatives contained therein.</div><div><br></div><div>Otherwise, as I and others have said, </div><div><br></div><div>We are presuming a problem exists although all facts and legal analysis is to the contrary.</div><div>We are creating solutions to this presumed but non-existing problem.</div><div>The drive to create the solutions is politically based – the reason being fear that the Board/GAC will reject a Report that does not contain a “solution” to the non-existing problem.</div><div><br></div><div>So, the correct course of action is to augment the initial report to describe and reject the various proposals because (a) there is no proven problem and (b) none of them work.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri; "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Paul Raynor Keating, Esq.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="http://law.es/">Law.es</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Tel. +34 93 368 0247 (Spain)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Tel. +44.7531.400.177 (UK)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Tel. +1.415.937.0846 (US)</span></b></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Fax. 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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">“With all respect, I have yet to see any argument in favor of the positions currently being promoted by the Chairs – other than (a) the Board/GAC/IGOs want it that way.”<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">This is not a correct statement.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">The Co-Chairs, both together and separately, have articulated multiple policy rationales for their views on the options before this WG, but never have we stated that are seeking to cater to the Board/GAC/IGOs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Our primary objective has been to seek a resolution that is based in sound and consistent policy analysis and that is likely to receive a majority – and hopefully supermajority – vote of approval in GNSO Council.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">The Board has taken no official position on the matters before this WG and will not do so until it receives a report and recommendations supported by Council (noting further that the Board asked us to consider, but did not endorse, the
position of the “IGO small group”).<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">While I hope that the GAC and IGOs will take the time to carefully read and consider our final report and recommendations, the position the have consistently urged is that the WG recommend a separate CRP for IGOs in which domain registrants
would have no right of judicial review. The Co-Chairs have never supported that GAC/IGO position.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">As we move toward consideration of a draft final report, let’s please try to stick to facts and not their alternatives.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Best, Philip<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></a></p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 22, 2017 12:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>; George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com">icann@leap.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Consolidated results of informal poll constituting preliminary consensus call on Options A-C<br><b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I do wish to point out that the UDRP was not intended to create rights that did not exist prior to the UDRP. This is in the founding WIPO report that was adopted by ICANN with a great deal of
grandeur. The 1999 Report also stated as a foundational position that respondents were to retain their day in court.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">NGOs existed prior to the UDRP. Prior to the UDRP the only means by which they could enforce rights as against a domain name registrant was to commence litigation (either directly or indirectly
via a stalking horse/assignee, etc). Pre-UDRP there was no basis for forcing the respondent into any form of arbitration.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">The UDRP was thoughtfully created to grant the right to litigate de novo. The Policy references such litigation in several places and the consent to Mutual Jurisdiction is expressly limited to
the dispute concerning the domain name. From this several sound legal principles have arisen.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">1.<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>Policy 4(k) does not itself create an independent right of action. A losing respondent must still find a statutory basis upon which to rest its claim. This has been recognized in virtually all post-UDRP cases including those in the UK (note the Yoyo
decision among others).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">2.<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>The Mutual Jurisdiction certification does not extend beyond the reversal of the UDRP decision. The certification does not itself grant personal jurisdiction over the Complainant (now defendant) for any other form of claim. This precludes the awarding
of monetary damages other than costs unless there is an independent claim to base it upon or the court has personal jurisdiction over the Complainant/defendant independently of the MJ certification.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">By creating an independent arbitration process for NGOs you are (a) contradicting not one but at least two of founding principles of the UDRP.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">With all respect, I have yet to see any argument in favor of the positions currently being promoted by the Chairs – other than (a) the Board/GAC/IGOs want it that way.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">And, now that George has surfaced an actual study comparing tech costs of arbitration to traditional litigation, there seems absolutely no credible reason to continue to support the private arbitration
suggestions.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I invite ANYONE to provide evidence to the contrary. And by evidence I mean that – not assumptions or beliefs but facts.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Sincerely,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Paul Raynor Keating, Esq.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><a href="http://law.es/"><span style="color:purple">Law.es</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tel. +34 93 368 0247 (Spain)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Tel. +44.7531.400.177 (UK)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#666666">Tel. +1.415.937.0846 (US)</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Fax. (Europe) +34 93 396 0810</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Fax. (US)(415) 358.4450</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Skype: Prk-Spain</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">email: </span><span style="color:blue"><a href="mailto:Paul@law.es"><span style="color:purple">Paul@law.es</span></a></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS E-MAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION SUBJECT TO THE ATTORNEY/CLIENT OR WORK-PRODUCT PRIVILEGE. THE INFORMATION IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR
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is also clear that there is a majority against Option A (8 does not support), compared to Option C (3 does not support).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">This is not just Philip’s and mine arguments, it is the pure fact.
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I can fully understand that, as in all voting cases, it may sometimes be hard to understand why a majority has other thoughts about a specific topic.
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">And all WG members had (and have) their freedom to further explain and argue their support for a specific solution/option. As you say George, sometimes a support for one specified option needs
more detailed explanation, where other options may be more clear, "fair and balanced".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">As to Option 6: As you may recall, you have made the presentation during our WG meetings, and we (the full WG) have discussed it. As you also may recall, the conclusion within our WG meetings was
that not all courts would accept that, independently of what the parties have agreed upon. During last call, we invited you to - during the upcoming week – provide us (the WG) with your suggestion on your proposed specific solution to be added to the current
description of the arbitration option for consideration by the WG. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I therefore look forward your specific wording / suggestion on that topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Petter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">-- </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Petter Rindforth, LL M </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><img border="0" width="150" height="41" style="width:1.5625in;height:.427in" id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D3638C.45A50410"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Fenix Legal KB </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Stureplan 4c, 4tr </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">114 35 Stockholm </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Sweden </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="font"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">E-mail:
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Those who<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">are in favour of option A (and opposing option C) have very strong and<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">fully considered views, which they can explain and support with facts<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">and reasoning. Compare that to those expressing support for C (and<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">opposing A/B). They make statements like:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">"Fair and balanced" (supporting C)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">"DOA at Council" (opposing A)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">bereft of credible reasoning.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">This demonstrates that it's fear-mongering by the co-chairs and<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">political motivations that led some to switch from Option 1 (now<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Option A) to Option C (formerly Option 2), rather than anything based<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">on new facts or new analysis. Given this, it explains the refusal by<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">the co-chairs to attach names to those who are supporting Option C --<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">there's no expectation of privacy here --- everyone must vote publicly<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">when it comes down to a final consensus call, and should have been<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">able to publicly explain why they supported Option C in this<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">preliminary survey.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">In the book "Principles" by Ray Dalio that I'm reading, he writes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">about how decisions at Bridgewater go through what's called<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">"believability-weighted decision making", see some discussion of that<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">at:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/bridgewater-ray-dalio-legacy-2017-9" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/bridgewater-ray-dalio-legacy-2017-9</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I think that is a wise approach, whereby votes that are backed by<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">sound logic, facts, experience, and reasoning should be weighted much<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">higher than votes that lack those attributes and which are instead<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">fear-driven and thus are not believable.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">It's been said that "One man with courage makes a majority." Hopefully<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">it does not have to come to that.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">George Kirikos<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">416-588-0269<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><a href="http://www.leap.com/" target="_blank">http://www.leap.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">As noted on the Working Group call yesterday, please find attached the<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">consolidated results of the informal poll that was conducted regarding<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Working Group member preferences as among Options A, B and C.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Individual Working Group members – especially those who provided specific<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">comments as part of their poll response – are invited to add any relevant<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">background and further thoughts to this email.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Thanks and cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> 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