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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose">Paul:<o:p></o:p></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">With all respect, this is a POLICY Development Process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Having participated in the development of US laws for four decades, all of which represent a (usually quite compromised) policy determination, I can assure you that the question of whether or not
a problem exists for which some law must be enacted or amended is a constant issue on which there is seldom if ever agreement by opposing parties with different interests. If the enactment of a law required absolute proof of a problem to which it was responding
the statute books would be a lot slimmer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">For our WG’s purpose, the fact that IGOs claim that the mutual jurisdiction clause inhibits their utilization of existing CRP avenues is adequate evidence that there is a claimed problem. The fact
that some IGOs have chosen to utilize the UDRP notwithstanding this possible judicial exposure does not mean that it does not inhibit other IGOs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">We are addressing this claim by:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Pointing out that IGOs may insulate themselves from exposure by filing for CRP relief via an agent, assignee, or licensee [no policy change]
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Leaving the issue of whether an IGO may successfully assert immunity when a losing registrant seeks de novo determination to the court, which
is where it should be resolved under prevailing national law and analytic approach [no policy change]<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Providing the registrant with an alternative means of getting a de novo determination under relevant law if the court upholds the immunity
claim (presuming that the final consensus call still favors Option C) [modest policy change which benefits the registrant, and seeks to balance the respective rights of the two parties]<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Finally, to once again restate prior comments which apparently have not been noted, my personal concern is NOT “fear that the Board/GAC will reject a Report”. My goal is to produce a Final Report
that can receive Council support – hopefully Supermajority – which is the best means of ensuring Board adoption even if the GAC and IGOs continue to press for a separate CRP for exclusive use of IGOs, which I have never favored and which has received no traction
in this WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Best, Philip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip S. Corwin<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Policy Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">VeriSign, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">703-948-4648/Direct<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">571-342-7489/Cell<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Paul Keating [mailto:Paul@law.es] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 22, 2017 12:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <pcorwin@verisign.com>; petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu; icann@leap.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Consolidated results of informal poll constituting preliminary consensus call on Options A-C<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Hi Phil,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">With all respect,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I am not aware of the multiple policy rationales. I have seen many statements regarding balancing of interests, etc. None of these are factually or legally based. If there is a listing of factually
based reasons I ask that it be sent to the group as a single document. I also request that we stop characterizing subjective impressions as factual evidence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">It seems to me that we must first determine if in fact there is actually a problem. This is where you all are – pardon the phrase – skipping the line. You are jumping to format a solution before
it is shown that a problem actually exists.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Because I can see no problem to fix, I cannot see any rationale (policy based or otherwise) to create a “solution” - particularly one as detrimental to the interests of domain registrants as that
being considered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">IF, it is the intention to include in the report a variety of “solutions”, then the report must, IMHO,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Confirm that no facts exists that evidence a problem is in fact present<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Review each of the proposals and include both the facts and legal positions in favor and against each proposal,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Conclude that none of the solutions are in fact required<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">If there is to be a recommended proposal (other than a no change), then I believe the correct way of addressing the issue is to create the report as noted above and seek public review of the report
and each of the alternatives contained therein.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Otherwise, as I and others have said, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">We are presuming a problem exists although all facts and legal analysis is to the contrary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">We are creating solutions to this presumed but non-existing problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">The drive to create the solutions is politically based – the reason being fear that the Board/GAC will reject a Report that does not contain a “solution” to the non-existing problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">So, the correct course of action is to augment the initial report to describe and reject the various proposals because (a) there is no proven problem and (b) none of them work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">"Corwin, Philip" <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 6:20 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>>, "<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>" <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>>, "<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com">icann@leap.com</a>"
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<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Consolidated results of informal poll constituting preliminary consensus call on Options A-C<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">“With all respect, I have yet to see any argument in favor of the positions currently being promoted by the Chairs – other than (a) the Board/GAC/IGOs want it that way.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This is not a correct statement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The Co-Chairs, both together and separately, have articulated multiple policy rationales for their views on the options before this WG, but never have we stated that are seeking to cater to the Board/GAC/IGOs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Our primary objective has been to seek a resolution that is based in sound and consistent policy analysis and that is likely to receive a majority – and hopefully supermajority – vote of approval in GNSO Council.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The Board has taken no official position on the matters before this WG and will not do so until it receives a report and recommendations supported by Council (noting further that the Board asked us to consider,
but did not endorse, the position of the “IGO small group”).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">While I hope that the GAC and IGOs will take the time to carefully read and consider our final report and recommendations, the position the have consistently urged is that the WG recommend a separate CRP for IGOs
in which domain registrants would have no right of judicial review. The Co-Chairs have never supported that GAC/IGO position.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">As we move toward consideration of a draft final report, let’s please try to stick to facts and not their alternatives.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Best, Philip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 22, 2017 12:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>; George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com">icann@leap.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Consolidated results of informal poll constituting preliminary consensus call on Options A-C<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Peter,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I do wish to point out that the UDRP was not intended to create rights that did not exist prior to the UDRP. This is in the founding WIPO report that was adopted by ICANN with a great deal of
grandeur. The 1999 Report also stated as a foundational position that respondents were to retain their day in court.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">NGOs existed prior to the UDRP. Prior to the UDRP the only means by which they could enforce rights as against a domain name registrant was to commence litigation (either directly or indirectly
via a stalking horse/assignee, etc). Pre-UDRP there was no basis for forcing the respondent into any form of arbitration.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">The UDRP was thoughtfully created to grant the right to litigate de novo. The Policy references such litigation in several places and the consent to Mutual Jurisdiction is expressly limited to
the dispute concerning the domain name. From this several sound legal principles have arisen.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">1.<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>Policy 4(k) does not itself create an independent right of action. A losing respondent must still find a statutory basis upon which to rest its claim. This has been recognized in virtually all post-UDRP cases including those in the UK (note the Yoyo
decision among others).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span>The Mutual Jurisdiction certification does not extend beyond the reversal of the UDRP decision. The certification does not itself grant personal jurisdiction over the Complainant (now defendant) for any other form of claim. This precludes the awarding
of monetary damages other than costs unless there is an independent claim to base it upon or the court has personal jurisdiction over the Complainant/defendant independently of the MJ certification.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">By creating an independent arbitration process for NGOs you are (a) contradicting not one but at least two of founding principles of the UDRP.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">With all respect, I have yet to see any argument in favor of the positions currently being promoted by the Chairs – other than (a) the Board/GAC/IGOs want it that way.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">And, now that George has surfaced an actual study comparing tech costs of arbitration to traditional litigation, there seems absolutely no credible reason to continue to support the private arbitration
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I invite ANYONE to provide evidence to the contrary. And by evidence I mean that – not assumptions or beliefs but facts.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Petter Rindforth <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b><<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 12:22 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com">icann@leap.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Consolidated results of informal poll constituting preliminary consensus call on Options A-C<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Dear George,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I think you have made it continuously clear that you are in favour of Option A. And, as a WG member, you are of course free to explain why you voted for Option A.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">However, the fact is that we not just only have a clear majority support for Option C (9 supports and 2 that can live with it), compared to Option A (5 supports and 1 that can live with it), it
is also clear that there is a majority against Option A (8 does not support), compared to Option C (3 does not support).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">This is not just Philip’s and mine arguments, it is the pure fact.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I can fully understand that, as in all voting cases, it may sometimes be hard to understand why a majority has other thoughts about a specific topic.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">And all WG members had (and have) their freedom to further explain and argue their support for a specific solution/option. As you say George, sometimes a support for one specified option needs
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">As to Option 6: As you may recall, you have made the presentation during our WG meetings, and we (the full WG) have discussed it. As you also may recall, the conclusion within our WG meetings was
that not all courts would accept that, independently of what the parties have agreed upon. During last call, we invited you to - during the upcoming week – provide us (the WG) with your suggestion on your proposed specific solution to be added to the current
description of the arbitration option for consideration by the WG. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I therefore look forward your specific wording / suggestion on that topic.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">17 november 2017 20:16:33 +01:00, skrev George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com">icann@leap.com</a>>:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I think the comments within this survey are quite telling. Those who</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">are in favour of option A (and opposing option C) have very strong and</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">fully considered views, which they can explain and support with facts</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">and reasoning. Compare that to those expressing support for C (and</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">opposing A/B). They make statements like:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">"Fair and balanced" (supporting C)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">"DOA at Council" (opposing A)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">bereft of credible reasoning.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">This demonstrates that it's fear-mongering by the co-chairs and</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">political motivations that led some to switch from Option 1 (now</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Option A) to Option C (formerly Option 2), rather than anything based</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">on new facts or new analysis. Given this, it explains the refusal by</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">the co-chairs to attach names to those who are supporting Option C --</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">there's no expectation of privacy here --- everyone must vote publicly</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">when it comes down to a final consensus call, and should have been</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">able to publicly explain why they supported Option C in this</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">preliminary survey.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">In the book "Principles" by Ray Dalio that I'm reading, he writes</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">about how decisions at Bridgewater go through what's called</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">"believability-weighted decision making", see some discussion of that</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">at:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/bridgewater-ray-dalio-legacy-2017-9" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/bridgewater-ray-dalio-legacy-2017-9</a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I think that is a wise approach, whereby votes that are backed by</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">sound logic, facts, experience, and reasoning should be weighted much</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">higher than votes that lack those attributes and which are instead</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">fear-driven and thus are not believable.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">It's been said that "One man with courage makes a majority." Hopefully</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">it does not have to come to that.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Sincerely,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>> wrote:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">As noted on the Working Group call yesterday, please find attached the</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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