<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div>Thank you Mary,</div><div><br></div><div>While the GNSP PDP recommendation may state as much, there seems no reason why we cannot address the issue in our report. I for one (and many others including Petter) have voiced objection to any policy change that would grant INGOs added rights based upon their appearing in such lists. IMHO such lists are entirely unofficial and subject to change at any time. Further, as I understand it, an INGO can remain on the list even if another government objects. Finally, there is no requirement that the asserted moniker be a unique identifier or limited to the formal name of the INGO. This was one of the reasons I stated my objection to the creation of any special remedial process.</div><div><br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 6:52 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>" <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "gnso-igo-ingo-." <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns:mv="http://macVmlSchemaUri" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Title" content=""><meta name="Keywords" content=""><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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--></style><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Please be aware that the GNSO PDP recommendation was very clear, and it was approved both by the GNSO Council (in November 2013) and the Board (in April 2014). The PDP Working Group had specifically stated that, for INGOs (other than the
Red Cross and the International Olympic Committee), the applicable names are those INGOs either in General Consultative or Special Consultative status with ECOSOC). You may also wish to note that second level protections for these INGO names are limited to
a 90-days claims notification period (i.e. similar to the Trademark Claims service).
<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Even though the Implementation Review Team (IRT) for the PDP (on which Petter is participating) is still in operation, the IRT Principles that were adopted by the GNSO Council in 2016 provide that IRTs “should not be used as a tool to reopen
a previously explored policy issue …. unless circumstances have changed and/or new information is available”.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">At this stage, to reopen the issue for additional policy discussion will mean that a request needs to be made to the GNSO Council.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">I hope this is helpful.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Mary<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 07:01<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>" <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"gnso-igo-ingo-." <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Petter, <br><br>
This is basic stuff, even without George’s comments, I’m amazed no one picked it up, but with George taking the time to comment it’s unbelievable!<br><br>
How can the IRT team get this fixed? Does it need to go back to the GNSO?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Best regards,<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Paul<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Petter Rindforth <<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi again,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We (the IRT) have a meeting at the Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt tomorrow. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If there is a specific question regarding the INGO identifier list you would like me to raise, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Petter<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m8173602245403810821font"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">-- </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m8173602245403810821font"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Petter Rindforth, LL M </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><img border="0" width="150" height="41" id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D394F9.11CFB970"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m8173602245403810821font"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Fenix Legal KB </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m8173602245403810821font"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Stureplan 4c, 4tr </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m8173602245403810821font"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">114 35 Stockholm </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m8173602245403810821font"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Sweden </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m8173602245403810821font"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Fax:
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<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Gong (2011)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Karp (2012)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mosaic (2013)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Witness (2013)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Rare (2015)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Restored (2016)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think it also demonstrates how bad policy can evolve out of trying to create quick fix solutions only perceived as necessary as a result of other unrelated flawed approaches.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Not good – someone should have been on top of this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Paul.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:20 AM, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white">Hello Paul and everyone,<o:p></o:p></p><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white">The list of INGOs is that of the United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), and the GNSO PDP recommendation was to use the ECOSOC list. As such, it is not up to ICANN
to make changes to that list; additions, modifications and deletions are determined under the applicable UN rules for organizations obtaining or maintaining recognition (e.g. general or consultative status) with ECOSOC. The staff understanding is that any
updates needing to be made to the ICANN list as a result of changes to the ECOSOC list will be handled through the UN’s Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA).<o:p></o:p></p><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white">Mary<o:p></o:p></p><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white"><span class="m8173602245403810821size"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b></span><span class="m8173602245403810821size"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-igo-ingo-crp <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Paul Tattersfield
<<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>></span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><br><span class="m8173602245403810821size"><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 14:03</span><br><span class="m8173602245403810821size"><b>To: </b>"gnso-igo-ingo-." <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a>></span><br><span class="m8173602245403810821size"><b>Subject: </b>[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Is the INGO Identifier List subject to revisions?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">
Is the recently published INGO Identifier List subject to revisions? <br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_sites_default_files_packages_reserved-2Dnames_ingo-2Didentifier-2Dlist.xml&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=ZHelugwDlnz3X92N6KrDyyvuK2Rzt6IFt7uLvTr9ZM4&s=Nhzg0poKNZr6aRnDjt917fA-WZ0KJ58OTvEXOmsXMuk&e=" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/packages/reserved-names/ingo-identifier-list.xml[icann.org]</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white">A cursory look shows names like<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">gong<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">karp<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">mosaic<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">rare<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">restored<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">witness<o:p></o:p></p></div><p style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white">Gong is an acronym for Gradani organizirano nadgledaju glasan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">
Karp is an acronym for The Korean Association of Retired Persons<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">
Moisaic is a branding for More Mosaic NGO & Mosaic International NGO<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white">
Including rare, restored & witness doesn't sit well with the principal of coexistence.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p style="background:white"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="m8173602245403810821onecomwebmail-msonormal" style="background:white">Paul.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Gnso-igo-ingo-crp mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:Gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org" target="_blank">Gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-igo-ingo-crp" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-igo-ingo-crp</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Gnso-igo-ingo-crp mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:Gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org" target="_blank">Gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-igo-ingo-crp" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-igo-ingo-crp</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div>
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