<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Petter,<br><br></div>In response to your request for us to give feedback on these updated consensus levels, and in line with my own previous independent analysis:<br><br><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgB2sY5AgaBZUHsHJJPLIsAwTFj-0i3FsammN5q-iD1QCQ_EMBC8LTzZ30TGvrf6Fw_mUvlnHa9DV9/pubhtml">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgB2sY5AgaBZUHsHJJPLIsAwTFj-0i3FsammN5q-iD1QCQ_EMBC8LTzZ30TGvrf6Fw_mUvlnHa9DV9/pubhtml</a><br><br></div>Rec #1: You say: Full Consensus: I agree (although we do have full consensus re: IGOs too, about no creation of entirely separate dispute resolution process, and I do think that should be made 100% clear via a recommendation somewhere, instead of relying only on inner explanatory text, to ensure that it's not brought up by IGOs 5 or 10 years from now, in yet another PDP)<br><br></div>Rec #2 You say: No Consensus/Divergence: I agree (once the modified text is put in)<br><br></div>Rec #3: You say: Consensus: I agree<br><br></div>Rec #4: You say: Strong Support but Significant Opposition: I agree<br><br></div>RECOMMENDATION #5<br><br>(i) Option #1: You say Consensus *or* Strong Support But Significant Opposition: I would make it "Consensus". I am for Option #1 as the strong preference over Option #4<br><br></div>(ii) Option #2: You say No Consensus/Divergence: I agree<br><br>(iii) Option #3: You say Minority View/Consensus Against: I agree<br><br>(iv) Option #4: You say No Consensus or Strong Support but Significant Opposition: the level of support was measurably less than Option #1, and my strong preference is for Option #1. If need be, I can just remove my support for Option #4 (as I'm sure others might do the same), to drop Option #4 down further, if that would help clarify the 2 options, since we should just make a clear choice (amongst the options that are mutually exclusive). <br><br>(v) Option #5: You say No Consensus/Divergence: I agree<br><br>(vi) Option #6: You say Strong Support but Significant Opposition: I disagree, as I had this as "No Consensus/Divergence" (see the spreadsheet I prepared); results might be different, though, if it was split out as a separate recommendation *only* about mediation (without the linkage back to Option #1 that is implicit in it)<br><br></div>By the way, there was no invitation sent out for a call next week (which had been mentioned during our call on Tuesday). Was that still planned? If so, it would be nice to get the invite as early as possible (to plan out personal schedules for next week).<br><br></div>Sincerely,<br><br></div>George Kirikos<br>416-588-0269<br></div><a href="http://www.leap.com/">http://www.leap.com/</a><br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 3:29 AM, Petter Rindforth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Dear Working Group members,</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">In light of the need for us to complete our work, in my role as the
Chair, I ask you all to now focus on the task at hand, which is to finalize
agreement on the appropriate consensus levels for each recommendation. In this
regard, please note the following: </span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">(1) I have put the most current, likely
consensus levels here in this message and will appreciate further feedback; </span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">(2)
we need now also to focus on discussing where we want to end up in relation to
Option 1 and Option 4, which may be mutually incompatible; and </span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">(3) where you
have made a suggestion on any specific point/topic but it has not received
support, I ask that you consider filing a Minority Statement now rather than
continue to argue the point.</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">On consensus levels, and based on our call earlier this week and the
more recent list discussions:</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><b>Recommendation 1:</b> Full
Consensus (with additional text in the rationale about why this recommendation
was phrased to cover INGOs, and noting that IGOs are covered by the remaining
recommendations which nevertheless do not require changing the UDRP or URS beyond
what may be necessary to effectuate those additional recommendations – I note
that this last caveat may of course not be necessary if the group reaches
consensus on Option 4 versus Option 1, as we are currently discussing).<br></div><div><br></div><div><b>Recommendation 2: </b>Consensus
(with slight amendment to the recommendation text to reflect “trademark or
service mark rights” where we mention “unregistered” rights).<br></div><div><br></div><div><b>Recommendation 3:</b> Consensus<br></div><div><br></div><div><b>Recommendation 4: </b>Strong
Support but Significant Opposition (with additional text in the rationale to
note that several members are strongly against subsidies of any sort).<br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt"><b>Recommendation 5/Options 1-6</b>
(which we can renumber/title in the Final Report to avoid confusion):</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Option 1 – Consensus or Strong
Support but Significant Opposition</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Option 2 – No
Consensus/Divergence</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Option 3 – Minority View
(Consensus Against)</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Option 4 – Consensus or Strong
Support but Significant Opposition</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Option 5 – No
Consensus/Divergence</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Option 6 – Strong Support but
Significant Opposition</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt"><u>On reconciling Options 1 & 4:</u></span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">If, from the above tentative
consensus listing, the group agrees that either Option 1 or Option 4 has
sufficient consensus (but not the other), there will not be a conflict. Please
therefore weigh in with your thoughts on the current consensus levels for these
two options. I have seen some informal notes from WG members that support both
Option 1 and Option 4, clarifying that they prefer Option 1 before Option 4,
but please make such statements/clarification again.</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Similarly, if we end up with
Strong Support but Significant Opposition for both, we can just transmit both
to the Council without the need for further discussion (but possibly with text
that can include implementation guidance for Option 1).</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">For Option 1 – this will
require a change to the UDRP and URS, so if this is the final consensus
position, staff will add draft text to the report with implementation guidance.</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt"><b>On Minority
Statements:</b></span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">1) </span></span></span>As Susan suggested on the
call, Paul Tattersfield may want to consider filing a Minority Statement in
regard to the Swaine memo, as despite several emails on the topic over the last
month or two and on the Working Group calls, there has not been much support to
remove the memo from the report.<br></div><div><br></div><div>2) Similarly, those who support
recommendations/options that end up as either No Consensus/Divergence or
Minority View should consider preparing Minority Statements (as I believe Phil
has already indicated he may do).<br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Thank you to all who are contributing to a productive
discussion. I ask that we refrain from questioning others’ credibility or
credentials, stop bringing up old threads and posts again, and focus on getting
to the final consensus. We had a good, friendly and effective call this Tuesday
– let us continue that way also online!</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Best regards,</span></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span><span class="m_5185339094987609846onecomwebmail-size"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt">Petter</span></span></span></span><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(103,103,103)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:Calibri"><span class="m_5185339094987609846size" style="font-size:11pt"></span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">-- </span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Petter Rindforth, LL M </span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:49D61470-C55F-44F0-AA45-8F4196542C10" height="41.53" width="150"><br></div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:18E3001D-CCA2-4E3F-8E79-FDEB70779A8D"><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Fenix Legal KB </span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Stureplan 4c, 4tr </span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">114 35 Stockholm </span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Sweden </span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 </span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 </span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">E-mail: <a href="mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu</a><wbr> </span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" style="font-family:"Open Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><a href="http://www.fenixlegal.eu" target="_blank">www.fenixlegal.eu</a> </span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5185339094987609846highlight" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846colour" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span class="m_5185339094987609846font" styl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