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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Petter and everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Staff will look into the possibility of extending the call to 90 minutes (i.e. an extra 30 minutes from the scheduled time) and will let everyone know as soon as we can. Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mary<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 18:55<br>
<b>To: </b>Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>George Kirikos <icann@leap.com>, "gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] George Kirikos comments on July 2, 2018 draft final report, Part 3 (was Re: FOR REVIEW: Updated Draft Final Report)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody">Thanks Mary and All WG Members,<o:p></o:p></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">I definitely look forward with pleasure to a fruitful and effective final call tomorrow!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">As to the time: Mary, I hope it is possible to extend it to 90 minutes, if necessary?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Then, at the end of our call, if there is still some question marks, I can of course formally ask for an extension, but as it seems not so likely that such request will be accepted, I recommend
us all to focus on finalizing everything tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">As to Minority Statement:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Mary, please note already now that I will prepare and submit one in support for Option 3 of Rec 5.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Petter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">5 juli 2018 00:12:30 +02:00, skrev Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Dear George and Phil,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Thank you for your comments and questions.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Regarding the date of the GNSO Council call and the expected deadline for delivery of our Final Report - in our experience, the Council has never changed a scheduled date for a Council meeting
to accommodate the submission of a PDP report. That said, if the Working Group as a whole (including Petter as chair and Susan as Council liaison) wish to request for an extension to the 9 July deadline, our recommendation is that it be a formal request from
Petter on the group's behalf, sent through Susan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Regarding minority statements - staff had suggested a possible deadline of 1200 UTC on Monday 9 July to try to have as much of the Final Report completed as possible. As the consensus recommendations
as well as the consensus levels had been settled on at the 21 June meeting, we had hoped that the time between then and 9 July might be sufficient for those wishing to file minority statements (especially since these are not edited or reviewed). However, should
any member wish to have more time for this purpose, may we suggest that those wishing to file minority statements at least notify the group by Monday 9 July so that staff can add a tentative placeholder to the relevant Annex, noting that a certain number of
minority statements are likely to be filed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Regarding Word v PDF - typically, staff works on documents in Word format which are then converted into PDF for submission and distribution. That is why we had requested that minority statements
be sent in Word format, but I should think we can also work with PDF formats if that is how a member wishes to send in his/her minority statement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">We note that George's comments include notes on consistency, typos and similar errors (for which we are grateful) as well as more substantive suggestions. We suggest that the Thursday call focus
on the substantive suggestions, and will do our best to provide a list to work through on the call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Mary & Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On 7/4/18, 16:09, "Gnso-igo-ingo-crp on behalf of George Kirikos" <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
on behalf of </span><a href="mailto:icann@leap.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">icann@leap.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Hi folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">This is the part 3 of my comments on the July 2, 2018 draft final<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">report. The earlier parts are at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-July/001345.html" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-July/001345.html</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">This was all based on a single pass through the entire document. I<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">don't plan to do any further passes through it before tomorrow's call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Tomorrow's call was scheduled for only 1 hour. I think we should<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">expand it to at least 90 minutes (our normal call length), or even 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">hours, to try to get as much agreement as possible on all points<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">(including concerns from others about the current draft). i.e. we can<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">work faster over the phone in real-time than we can via email (which<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">is asynchronous).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">(all page references relative to "Clean" PDF version of July 2, 2018<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">25. page 33, first paragraph: for INGOs, it would be Recommendation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">26. page 34: Cost: I don't think it's correct to say that it's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">correct to call it a "preliminary" conclusion, as this is a final<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">consensus recommendation, and no longer "preliminary.".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">27. (no page in particular) I don't this had been pointed out before<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">by anyone in this PDP, but the probability of a court action by a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">registrant after an adverse URS decision is actually lower than that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">for an adverse UDRP, because the URS has a built-in review/appeal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">mechanism that can be utilized, before a registrant need escalate to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">the courts. Might be worth putting into a footnote somewhere (where we<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">talk about probabilities being 'rare', etc.).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">28. page 44: middle column (at bottom) says .."and no change to the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">URS". Of course Recommendation 5 will have a slight change (set aside<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">the URS decision if immunity asserted), so that language should change<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">slightly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">29. page 48-49: the new text at the bottom of page 48 ("more fully<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">described in Section 2.1 above") should be deleted, as those options<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">at the time were *different* (e.g. Option #4 from Zak came in December<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2017). The third paragraph even notes this. If we want to retain those<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">page 49, i.e. immediately after "During the Working Group's discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">of these six options".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">30. page 51: 2nd paragraph: (a) first, "to confirm that there was<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">consensus on the other recommendations listed above" is entirely<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">false, given that the text of those recommendations has evolved, and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">"…, and to ATTEMPT TO confirm that there was consensus on the other<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">first four recommendations." (removing the words "listed above").<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">(b) continuing, the May 25, 2018 meeting description is complete<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">fiction, because at that point no designations had been made! THe very<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">first time designations were made was on June 9, 2018:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001238.html" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001238.html</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Essentially, that entire paragraph is not accurate. What really<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">happened, is that the Summary Report (referenced on page 50) was not<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">well received. Remember, I wrote a long rant about "Everything Wrong<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">with the IGO PDP Summary Report"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-April/001139.html" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-April/001139.html</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Then, there was essentially a "Public Display of Possible Consensus",<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">where PDP members who were concerned about the accuracy and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">inclusiveness (whether their input had even been captured) of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Summary Report openly and transparently shared their views on the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">mailing list, see:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-May/date.html" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-May/date.html</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Then, realizing that we were actually capable of reaching consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">(unlike the Summary Report, which saw things more divided), the May<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">10th and May 25th meetings were focused on revising the text of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">recommendations. Then, on May 25, 2018, a two week process was started<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">whereby members were once again encouraged to share their views on the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">public mailing list with regards to all 5 recommendations (including<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">the 6 options for the Recommendation #5).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Then, on June 9, 2018 set his initial designation levels after<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">reviewing all the emails, after which we engaged in an iterative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">process of revising the text of the recommendations and revising the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">designation levels to their final state (which was achieved on June<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">21, 2018).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">You'll note I was careful to not call the May 25, 2018 a "Consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Call", since it never really was! (happy to refer to it as a "two week<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">process", as a compromise; if you want to call it a "Consensus Call",<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">be sure to add a footnote that that was one of the issues in dispute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">in the 2nd Section 3.7 appeal made on June 10, 2018).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">The third paragraph on page 51 is fine, but the 2nd needs to be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">completely rewritten, to reflect the truth, and not the current<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">fiction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">---- start of new paragraph 2 on page 51 --------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Concerns were raised regarding the accuracy, transparency and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">inclusiveness of the Summary Report. After discussions on the mailing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">list, it became evident that more members of the PDP were willing to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">and that it might be feasible to reach consensus on all 5<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">recommendations. The Working Group held meetings on 10 & 25 May 2018<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">to further revise the language of the proposed recommendations. After<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">the 25 May 2018 meeting, a two week process was started whereby PDP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">members were encouraged to share their views on the public mailing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">list with regards to all 5 recommendations (including the 6 options<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">for Recommendation 5). On June 9, 2018, after reviewing the emails of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">the prior 2 weeks, the remaining Working Group chair (can keep the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">designations of consensus levels, consistent with the requirements of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Working Group held further meetings on 12 & 21 June 2018, and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">discussions on the mailing list, engaging in the iterative process of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">further revising the text of the recommendations and revising the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">designation levels to their final state (which was achieved on June<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">21, 2018), while also agreeing on the appropriate designations levels<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">for the proposals that did not attain consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">---- end of new paragraph 2 on page 51 --------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">That's about as diplomatic as I can make it, without bringing in the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">2nd Section 3.7 appeal, arguing over what a "Consensus Call" is, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">31. page 56, 3rd paragraph "The Working Group scheduled community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">sessions at each ICANN Public Meeting that took place after its<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">formation" --- not correct, as there were no calls during the Panama<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">meeting (and I don't think was a session at the prior meeting either).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Easiest fix is to remove the word "each" and make "Meeting" be plural<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">"Meetings", leaving it more correct than it is as present.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Alternatively, change "each" to "most" (and still make "Meetings"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">plural)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">32. page 58: Phil Corwin's affiliation is listed as "BC", whereas it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">should be "RySG" since he's moved to Verisign. The Wiki page should<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">also be updated (his SOI has been updated, but the table listing the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">members/affiliations hadn't been).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">33. page 58: in the table listing all the constituencies, "CBUC"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">should be changed to "BC" (to reflect the acronyms being used on pages<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">57-58). Or, alternatively, change "BC" to "CBUC" for all the relevant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">members on pages 57-58.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">34. page 62: might want to add a footnote/asterisk next to Phil's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">George Kirikos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">416-588-0269<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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