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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Chuck,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So sorry to read there were issues with the recordings. We’re looking into this and will update the list shortly.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Nathalie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><gnso-secs-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Chuck Gomes Consulting <consult@cgomes.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, July 3, 2017 at 11:10 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Michelle DeSmyter <michelle.desmyter@icann.org>, GNSO INGO <gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"gnso-secs@icann.org" <gnso-secs@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-secs] [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It took me quite a while but I finally attempted to play the Adobe recording for this meeting. It seemed to work properly for 10 minutes but I encountered problems after that. The voice recording stopped until I moved that marker forward
and nothing showed on the screen. I gave up and tried the MP3 but it recorded two people talking at the same time with one person’s voice (James first, Mary later, etc.) being dominant. The MP3 cleared up at the very end of the call.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">At the beginning of the call, James made the observation that one of the things we could do is decide that the WG didn’t get it right (with regard to the Red Cross national names and two international red cross names along with limited
variants of those names). In my recollection of what happened, it was not a matter of getting it right or wrong with regard to those names. Here is what I remember:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">The additional names were not introduced for consideration until after the group had already made considerable progress and was working toward final recommendations.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">It was decided to not delay our momentum so we never really deliberated fully on the additional names.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">In my opinion, if the additional names were introduced earlier in the process, the outcome could have been very different.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It could very well be that my memory is faulty and I welcome those who were part of the original WG to correct me, including Thomas as chair.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Understanding that it was very difficult to listen to the recording and therefore may have missed key points that were made on the call, I would like to suggest that I personally think that our task could be fairly easy. Here is why I
think that:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">One of the essential principles that was applied in the New gTLD PDP was to base recommendations on objective standards such as international treaties.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">I do not believe that the national names and the two international names are covered by international treaties in the same way that the names that were approved are, but I do believe that
they are at least consistent with the principles behind the international treaties for red cross names so I don’t think it would be too much of a stretch to add the new names.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">Another key principle is that names should not create confusion.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">In my personal opinion, the additional names would not create confusion.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">If I am correct, then it might not be unreasonable to add the additional names to the approved policy.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I definitely think we as a reconvened WG (including new members) should due our due diligence in considering the above, but If my memory and analysis has merit, then we possibly could finish our work in relatively short order.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know where I am incorrect.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">PS – regarding my difficulties listening to the Adobe and MP3 recordings I would appreciate knowing whether it is a general problem for all or just unique to my system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chuck Gomes Consulting<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 14, 2017 8:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Michelle DeSmyter' <michelle.desmyter@icann.org>; gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I apologize for missing this meeting. For some reason the meeting request was corrupted, indicating that the meeting was moved. I will listen to the recording.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org">
gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michelle DeSmyter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org">gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Dear all, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Please find below the mp3, attendance, Adobe Connect recording and chat for the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on
Red Cross Names held on 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="color:black">Mp3: </span></b><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Digo-2Dingo-2Dpdp-2D14jun17-2Den.mp3&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=jSk5EuVk26mmA2jgyPGH4H1jL1rnGJiV9NYOa1LtvbU&s=h36O5TPPNn_UP_DAS_Y6SUvhhdxXU_yNgijBJi8EjsM&e="><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-pdp-14jun17-en.mp3</span>[audio.icann.org]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">AC recording</span></b><span style="color:black">: </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p39bvnr2rpw/"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif">https://participate.icann.org/p39bvnr2rpw/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=jSk5EuVk26mmA2jgyPGH4H1jL1rnGJiV9NYOa1LtvbU&s=1W2oL17_xS8uDQJkfgW_LWBkD_AlJ63H37-I80ido5Y&e="><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</span>[gnso.icann.org]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Mailing list archive: </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/</span></a></span><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Agenda Wiki page: </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_l0fwAw&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=jSk5EuVk26mmA2jgyPGH4H1jL1rnGJiV9NYOa1LtvbU&s=hCrOu0bNjqQAIikgGktQ2b02EMuB0vH5ZIy-KIHR6bo&e="><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif">https://community.icann.org/x/l0fwAw</span>[community.icann.org]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the First meeting of the reconvened PDP Working Group on Red Cross names on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 18:00 UTC. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_l0fwAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=uqqjn3HCYulbrAmPx13NUbi-DNOehtFzQblz0J5Pbr0&s=IPeG5FVB8aDNI2lnCS81-Q22pSBgJvuyUnryrhU3jzY&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_l0fwAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=uqqjn3HCYulbrAmPx13NUbi-DNOehtFzQblz0J5Pbr0&s=IPeG5FVB8aDNI2lnCS81-Q22pSBgJvuyUnryrhU3jzY&e=</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Donna Austin, Neustar:what's another couple of minutes on top of three years?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> James Bladel:Staff notes that Thomas is dialing in to the brdige.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:here we are again, nothing to be done about it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> James Bladel:was that Michelle? Can't hear.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> James Bladel:?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Mary Wong:Is that better?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Mary Wong:Please mute if you're not speaking, thank you!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Thomas Rickert, Chair:Hi all, sorry I had technical difficulties getting in.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Thomas Rickert, Chair:The motion that was adopted by the GNSO Council way back when was and I guess still is the longest motion in our history.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:so, were we to just accept what they want we would be done? anyone?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Mary Wong:We can upload the text of Recommendation 5 as well as the Red Cross Minority Statement about these National Society names, if that will be helpful.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:i am not necessarly suggesting it, just defining one possible outcome.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Osvaldo Novoa:I would support this, I was opposed to the protection of the acronyms, not the full names.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> James Bladel:I think we may have covered most of Agenda #4.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:is it correct to also assume this group gates the end of the Subsequent Procedures PDP?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:i would assume it is like asking to have an exam regraded, one can lose what they had - especially any interim decsions made by the board (were
there any?)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Mary Wong:@Avri, the Red Cross names and acronyms are currently reserved as an interim measure - so once the Board acts on the GNSO recommendations (whether
to approve or otherwise) the interim protections will go away, and the final Board approval will govern.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:So, Mary, we could bring a decsion differnt from the Board's interim decsion and remove those names fro the reservation list.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:agan, not recommending, just looking for the boundary conditions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:does our procedure require a round of "constituency/sg/SOAC comments" on the issues?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Mary Wong:Note that following the WG's consultation, the proposal still has to be published for public comment before the Council takes a final vote.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Mary Wong:@Avri, not expressly - but doesn't mean the WG or the Council can't call for these.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Mary Wong:We note that the Red Cross' Minority Statement (now on screen) mentions protection under international and domestic laws, and specifically highlights
the adjectives in a National Society name.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:how often we meeting?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Osvaldo Novoa:Ok</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Stéphane Hankins:Is there any intention for this to be in any way discussed in Johannesburg?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> James Bladel:Correct.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> James Bladel::)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Donna Austin, Neustar:Thank you to everyone for making yourselves available.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> avri doria:bye</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> Osvaldo Novoa:Thank you and see you in Joahnnesburg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black"> James Bladel:Thanks, Thomas & Staff. And thanks everyone for coming back in to service after such a long break!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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