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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Greg.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 3, 2017 3:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chuck Gomes Consulting <consult@cgomes.com>; Michelle DeSmyter <michelle.desmyter@icann.org>; Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine@icann.org>; gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org<br><b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] [gnso-secs] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Chuck,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>That is consistent with my recollection as well, at least with regard to the "Red Cross names" coming up (too) late in the process.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>When (if) it comes to dealing with the IGO acronyms, the "did we get it right" paradigm would apply, but not here -- it's more a matter of not having reasoned it out at all, due to the timing issue.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 5:16 PM Nathalie Peregrine <<a href="mailto:nathalie.peregrine@icann.org">nathalie.peregrine@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dear Chuck,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So sorry to read there were issues with the recordings. We’re looking into this and will update the list shortly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Nathalie<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><<a href="mailto:gnso-secs-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Chuck Gomes Consulting <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank">consult@cgomes.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, July 3, 2017 at 11:10 PM<br><b>To: </b>Michelle DeSmyter <<a href="mailto:michelle.desmyter@icann.org" target="_blank">michelle.desmyter@icann.org</a>>, GNSO INGO <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-secs] [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It took me quite a while but I finally attempted to play the Adobe recording for this meeting. It seemed to work properly for 10 minutes but I encountered problems after that. The voice recording stopped until I moved that marker forward and nothing showed on the screen. I gave up and tried the MP3 but it recorded two people talking at the same time with one person’s voice (James first, Mary later, etc.) being dominant. The MP3 cleared up at the very end of the call.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>At the beginning of the call, James made the observation that one of the things we could do is decide that the WG didn’t get it right (with regard to the Red Cross national names and two international red cross names along with limited variants of those names). In my recollection of what happened, it was not a matter of getting it right or wrong with regard to those names. Here is what I remember:<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>The additional names were not introduced for consideration until after the group had already made considerable progress and was working toward final recommendations.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>It was decided to not delay our momentum so we never really deliberated fully on the additional names.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>In my opinion, if the additional names were introduced earlier in the process, the outcome could have been very different.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It could very well be that my memory is faulty and I welcome those who were part of the original WG to correct me, including Thomas as chair.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Understanding that it was very difficult to listen to the recording and therefore may have missed key points that were made on the call, I would like to suggest that I personally think that our task could be fairly easy. Here is why I think that:<o:p></o:p></p><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>One of the essential principles that was applied in the New gTLD PDP was to base recommendations on objective standards such as international treaties.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>I do not believe that the national names and the two international names are covered by international treaties in the same way that the names that were approved are, but I do believe that they are at least consistent with the principles behind the international treaties for red cross names so I don’t think it would be too much of a stretch to add the new names.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>Another key principle is that names should not create confusion.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>In my personal opinion, the additional names would not create confusion.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'>If I am correct, then it might not be unreasonable to add the additional names to the approved policy.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I definitely think we as a reconvened WG (including new members) should due our due diligence in considering the above, but If my memory and analysis has merit, then we possibly could finish our work in relatively short order.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Please let me know where I am incorrect.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chuck <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>PS – regarding my difficulties listening to the Adobe and MP3 recordings I would appreciate knowing whether it is a general problem for all or just unique to my system.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_-2153400156450573887__MailEndCompose"> </a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chuck Gomes Consulting<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 14, 2017 8:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Michelle DeSmyter' <<a href="mailto:michelle.desmyter@icann.org" target="_blank">michelle.desmyter@icann.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I apologize for missing this meeting. For some reason the meeting request was corrupted, indicating that the meeting was moved. I will listen to the recording.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michelle DeSmyter<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names call on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Dear all, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Please find below the mp3, attendance, Adobe Connect recording and chat for the First meeting of the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names held on 14 June 2017 at 14:00 UTC.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='color:black'>Mp3: </span></b><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Digo-2Dingo-2Dpdp-2D14jun17-2Den.mp3&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=jSk5EuVk26mmA2jgyPGH4H1jL1rnGJiV9NYOa1LtvbU&s=h36O5TPPNn_UP_DAS_Y6SUvhhdxXU_yNgijBJi8EjsM&e=" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-pdp-14jun17-en.mp3</span>[audio.icann.org]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:black'>AC recording</span></b><span style='color:black'>: </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p39bvnr2rpw/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>https://participate.icann.org/p39bvnr2rpw/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><a 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class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Michelle </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:black'>———————————————</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-2153400156450573887msonospacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><u><span style='color:black'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for 14 June 2017</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the First meeting of the reconvened PDP Working Group on Red Cross names on Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 18:00 UTC. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_l0fwAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=uqqjn3HCYulbrAmPx13NUbi-DNOehtFzQblz0J5Pbr0&s=IPeG5FVB8aDNI2lnCS81-Q22pSBgJvuyUnryrhU3jzY&e=" target="_blank">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_l0fwAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=uqqjn3HCYulbrAmPx13NUbi-DNOehtFzQblz0J5Pbr0&s=IPeG5FVB8aDNI2lnCS81-Q22pSBgJvuyUnryrhU3jzY&e=</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Donna Austin, Neustar:what's another couple of minutes on top of three years?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> James Bladel:Staff notes that Thomas is dialing in to the brdige.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:here we are again, nothing to be done about it.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> James Bladel:was that Michelle? Can't hear.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> James Bladel:?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Mary Wong:Is that better?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Mary Wong:Please mute if you're not speaking, thank you!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Thomas Rickert, Chair:Hi all, sorry I had technical difficulties getting in.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Thomas Rickert, Chair:The motion that was adopted by the GNSO Council way back when was and I guess still is the longest motion in our history.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:so, were we to just accept what they want we would be done? anyone?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Mary Wong:We can upload the text of Recommendation 5 as well as the Red Cross Minority Statement about these National Society names, if that will be helpful.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:i am not necessarly suggesting it, just defining one possible outcome.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Osvaldo Novoa:I would support this, I was opposed to the protection of the acronyms, not the full names.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> James Bladel:I think we may have covered most of Agenda #4.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:is it correct to also assume this group gates the end of the Subsequent Procedures PDP?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:i would assume it is like asking to have an exam regraded, one can lose what they had - especially any interim decsions made by the board (were there any?)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Mary Wong:@Avri, the Red Cross names and acronyms are currently reserved as an interim measure - so once the Board acts on the GNSO recommendations (whether to approve or otherwise) the interim protections will go away, and the final Board approval will govern.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:So, Mary, we could bring a decsion differnt from the Board's interim decsion and remove those names fro the reservation list.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:agan, not recommending, just looking for the boundary conditions.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:does our procedure require a round of "constituency/sg/SOAC comments" on the issues?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Mary Wong:Note that following the WG's consultation, the proposal still has to be published for public comment before the Council takes a final vote.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Mary Wong:@Avri, not expressly - but doesn't mean the WG or the Council can't call for these.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> James Bladel::)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Mary Wong:We note that the Red Cross' Minority Statement (now on screen) mentions protection under international and domestic laws, and specifically highlights the adjectives in a National Society name.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:how often we meeting?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Osvaldo Novoa:Ok</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Stéphane Hankins:Is there any intention for this to be in any way discussed in Johannesburg?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> James Bladel:Correct.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> James Bladel::)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Donna Austin, Neustar:Thank you to everyone for making yourselves available.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> avri doria:bye</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> Osvaldo Novoa:Thank you and see you in Joahnnesburg</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'> James Bladel:Thanks, Thomas & Staff. And thanks everyone for coming back in to service after such a long break!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Gnso-igo-ingo mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org" target="_blank">Gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-igo-ingo" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-igo-ingo</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>