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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find below the mp3, attendance,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> Adobe Connect recording and chat for the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs
PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names held on 20 July 2017 at 13:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Monark Panchal commented on ticket #563816
Hello Michelle,
The request has been completed:
https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul
https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20jul17-en.mp3[mailer.samanage.com]
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Panchal commented on ticket #563816 Hello Michelle, The request has been completed: https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20jul17-en.mp3[mailer.samanage.com]</a></p>
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Monark Panchal commented on ticket #563816
Hello Michelle,
The request has been completed:
https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul
https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-20jul17-en.mp3[mailer.samanage.com]
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<b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">AC recording</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">: </span><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p2oezh20mo0/" style="font-family: -webkit-standard; font-size: 14px;">https://participate.icann.org/p2oezh20mo0/</a></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAw&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=E2vmSmAIFiMHbXvtPGq4TC82vJ9qNqqrkv_r2-VAgdI&s=wfRnhR5wGcI8YaPTIhiec3CkcYitSb0s-A5paUtmcQQ&e=" style="color: purple;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</span>[gnso.icann.org]</a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Mailing list archive: </span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/" style="font-family: -webkit-standard; font-size: 14px;">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/</a><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"> </span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Agenda Wiki page: </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/onfwAw" style="font-family: -webkit-standard; font-size: 14px;">https://community.icann.org/x/onfwAw</a></p>
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<b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for 20</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> July 2017</span></u></b></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the Reconvened meeting of the IGO-INGO PDP Working Group call on Red Cross Names on Thursday, 20 July 2017 at 13:00 UTC </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_onfwAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Wgjm516oTIN-ZdOvjahQXHTvVoBstsAfotFlacrsPME&s=PaztrM-dguBXvJ8-W35UYiGUhap00veTzuEcq5Dsalw&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_onfwAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Wgjm516oTIN-ZdOvjahQXHTvVoBstsAfotFlacrsPME&s=PaztrM-dguBXvJ8-W35UYiGUhap00veTzuEcq5Dsalw&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Hello from California</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Hello from Tasmania! (how's that from 2 different ends of the earth, Chuck?)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:I like it Heather. It's 6 am for me; what time is it for you?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Thomas Rickert:just one sec</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Is everyone hearing clicking</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:or is it just my connetion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:connection</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mason Cole - Donuts:I hear it too Jeff</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:I am hearing the clicking but it is fairly minor.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Thomas Rickert:I am still hearing music on the audio bridge</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:k - I will alert the operator you are dialing in</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Thomas Rickert:sorry for this. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Thomas Rickert:I am now waiting for the dial-out</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:I am on the audio bridge. Was connected quickly.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Thomas Rickert:so sorry for making you wait</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:My audio quality really bad. Will reconnect to bridge.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:I will not be able to stay for full 2 hr meeting.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:@Chuck - sorry, slow reply. 23:00 my local time (bedtime)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Berry Cobb:Thomas, kill your AC mic, echo.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Please mute if you're not speaking, thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:The echo is terrible - can't really hear</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:If Thomas is on the telephone line, someone should mute his AC mic as it is open</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:looks like it is muted now :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:much better!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:I'm not on audio :-</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marika Konings:Thanks for the intro Thomas :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Happy retirement, Chuck! (funny how your retirement seems a lot like pre-retirement in ICANN-land)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:Thomas, I'm not on audio either. ICANN GSNO Support staff.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:Cannot hear heather</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Sorry - was my audio poor?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:For me in any case!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Berry Cobb:Heather, you came in faint. You might want to adjust your AC mic or consider dialing into audio bridge if you intend to contribute more on the call.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Will do, thanks Berry. Quick summary: I was not on the original PDP, but as a member of GNSO Council leadership was involved in the facilitated discussion that led to the re-formation of this PDP
WG. I am here mainly as an observer - happy to support as needed.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:We do have Stephane Hankin on audio phone bridge only</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:At the time of PDP completion, there were 189 National Sociteties. Since then, one more has been added - so the total is now 190.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:The Red Cross participants in the PDP also submitted a minority report to the Final Report.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Evan Leibovitch:We also had the IOC to deal with.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Evan, true - and both these orgs (RC and IOC) were the only NGOs for whom the GAC requested protections (although the PDP WG also came up with recommendations for all NGOs that appear on the UN ECOSOC
list).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Noting, following up on Thomas’s comment re acronyms, that the GNSO Council motion that recommended reforming this PDP WG, instructs only a review of recommendations in relation to names: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_resolutions-23201705&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Wgjm516oTIN-ZdOvjahQXHTvVoBstsAfotFlacrsPME&s=aTS24TvOITsaoivFf0EzvkunfJ4PnbJ39Oh8GKrqIus&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_resolutions-23201705&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Wgjm516oTIN-ZdOvjahQXHTvVoBstsAfotFlacrsPME&s=aTS24TvOITsaoivFf0EzvkunfJ4PnbJ39Oh8GKrqIus&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:Clearly we cannot (or should not) recommend something that is counter to the ICANN Bylaws. But I don't think that is equivalen to us having to make recommendations that have "legal basis". We cannot
recommend anything counter to legality, but in theory, we do not have to have a legal basis.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:ECHO!!!!!!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Alan, I think what Thomas was addressing is the need for this WG (and the GNSO Council) to be clear about what the basis for protection is, should the original policy rec end up being changed. That will
allow the Board to make a reasonaed decision as to whether, and what, to approve ultimately.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Acronyms are not in scope per Council's motion. For the WG to consider acronyms, there needs to be a direction as such from Council.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Heather, yes. And the Board request to the Council also only covered names, not acronyms.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Did Stephane mention which treaty or treaties he was referring to?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Evan Leibovitch:Beyond the legal and treaty issues, we (at least ALAC) also considered the real-world potential for fraud. The ICRC and its national entities engage in global fundraising, so there is a genuine possibility
that use of their names within domains could be used to fraudulently solicit funds.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Greg, I believe it was the Geneva Convention and the associated Protocols.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:It would be helpful to have circulated to the list the precise international legal provisions referred to by Stephane .</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Conventions in the plural, I should have said</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Agree with Heather.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Again given the complexity of the treaty language, in my view the WG should have the benefit of the actual provisions to read closely</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Staff can circulate the briefing document that was prepared for the Copenhagen facilitated dialogue - that contains more background and informaton on the Geneva Conventions.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:We'll need to. see if that sets out the application of the Conventions to the particular facts at hand. Just having the language of the Conventions is only half of the task, or less.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Alan, that seems to indicate some skepticism that there is a readily apparent legal basis for these protections.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Evan Leibovitch:Agree with no need for indepdent advice</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Evan, what do you know that I don't know?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:@Greg, I am not at all convinced that there is a strong legal reason for the requested protection. I believe there *IS* a strong public interest rationale for that protection.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I think it would be rash to answer the question in the positive or the. negative, unless one doesn't care whether there's a legal basis for these protections.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:The fact that legal protection is granted in some circumstances sends a strong message to me on the public interest perspective.. And THAT is linked to domain names</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Does a next meeting on THursdays at this time work for all?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:But we don't know whether those circumstances are legally relevant to this discussion.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:It's late timing for Asia Pacific.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:But I might be the only APAC follower of the reconvened group, so it's not good reason to tinker with the timing</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I actually have a standing call at 14:00 UTC on Thursdays. It was cancelled for this week.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Stephane, thank you - staff can assist with finding the information you mention if those were also provided to an ICANN mailing list at some point.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Chuck Gomes:Thanks Thomas and all.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Thanks Thomas</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Bye all.</div>
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