<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dear James,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Thank you for this. Regarding the ICRC
and IFRC acronyms, this is also the conclusion we intended to underscore
- namely that, while the ICRC and IFRC acronyms may/do not meet the third
test as agreed during the Facilitated Discussions in Copenhagen (that there
be no other legitimate users for the String) - a policy recommendation
be made to ensure and confirm access to curative rights mechanisms. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">As recalled in Charlotte's last message,
access to (cost neutral) curative rights mechanisms for the acronyms would
also be congruent with the the GAC's own past advice (as adopted in Durban
in July 2013</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">) </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif">and
our suggestion would be that the reconvened WG and the GNSO consider to
also adopt a recommendation to this effect. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">This is mindful of the objectives sought
of reconciling the GNSO's 2013 Recommendations with the GAC's past advice.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Kind regards,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Stéphane (and Charlotte)</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"jbladel@godaddy.com"
<jbladel@godaddy.com></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Chuck Gomes Consulting
<consult@cgomes.com>, 'Stephane Hankins' <shankins@icrc.org></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"gnso-secs@icann.org"
<gnso-secs@icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">08.08.2017 15:31</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo]
Follow-up to the second WG call of 20 July 2017 - Reconvened IGO-INGO Working
Group on Red Cross and Red Crescent Names and Identifiers</font>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Thanks to Chuck, Stephane and especially
Charlotte for their valuable contributions in this thread. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">If we go back to the Facilitated Discussions
in Copenhagen, we landed on three factors for reconsidering protections
for RC/RC strings in the DNS (note, these are also reflected in the GNSO
Council resolution that re-activated this PDP). Roughly paraphrased,
they were:<br>
</font>
<ul>
<li><font size=2 face="Calibri">That the protections were based upon /
reflected in national and international law, and</font>
<li><font size=2 face="Calibri">That the list of covered strings was finite,
and was amended only via consistent & visible processes, and</font>
<li><font size=2 face="Calibri">There were no other legitimate uses for
the string.</font></ul><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Circling back to Charlotte’s message,
her points (1) and (2) and (3) are meant to establish that the first two
tests are being met. Similarly, points (3) and (5) help to define the list
of covered strings as finite, and only occasionally modified via well-established
processes (Marshall Islands). However, I believe that point (4) (ICRC and
IFRC) fail the third test: requiring that there are no other legitimate
uses for the strings. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">This is always a problem with acronyms,
as they often collide with unrelated terms, organizations, or industries.
For example, a quick search of “ICRC” notes that while this string
is commonly associated with the International Committee of the Red Cross,
it is also used by the Indiana Civil Rights Commission, the International
Certification and Reciprocity Consortium, the Intercollege Relations Commission,
and the International Conference of Reformed Churches. Policies should
not prohibit or reserve the use of these strings in gTLDs, but rather ensure
access to curative rights for the RC (or any of the other organizations)
that are harmed when these strings are abused.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Thanks—</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
J.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri"><b>From: </b><gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org>
on behalf of Chuck Gomes Consulting <consult@cgomes.com><b><br>
Date: </b>Monday, August 7, 2017 at 10:51 <b><br>
To: </b>'Stephane Hankins' <shankins@icrc.org><b><br>
Cc: </b>"'gnso-secs@icann.org'" <gnso-secs@icann.org>,
"gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Follow-up to the second WG call of 20
July 2017 - Reconvened IGO-INGO Working Group on Red Cross and Red Crescent
Names and Identifiers</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Stephane,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">You in essence did what I was suggesting
Charlotte do. It wasn’t that I didn’t understand but rather that
it was a fairly complicated and long message that I thought would benefit
from a simpler explanation.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Chuck</font>
<br><a name=_MailEndCompose></a><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b>From:</b> Stephane Hankins [</font><a href=mailto:shankins@icrc.org><font size=2 face="Calibri">mailto:shankins@icrc.org</font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Monday, August 7, 2017 12:50 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Chuck Gomes Consulting <consult@cgomes.com><b><br>
Cc:</b> 'Charlotte Lindsey Curtet' <clindsey@icrc.org>; gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org;
gnso-secs@icann.org<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo] Follow-up to the second WG call of 20
July 2017 - Reconvened IGO-INGO Working Group on Red Cross and Red Crescent
Names and Identifiers</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Arial">Dear Chuck,</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Could you kindly clarify for us what is unclear. Charlotte's message below
is to us written in a reasonably plain language.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Point (2) aims to explicate what, in our understanding, an ammendment to
the GNSO's 2013 Recommendations would imply in order to achieve a reconciliation
with past GAC advice.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Point (3) suggests that in the interest of achieving a reconciliation of
the 2013 GNSO recommendation and GAC advice, consideration would also require
to be given to the full names of the ICRC and of the International Federation
(the two international bodies within the International red Cross and Red
Crescent Movement), in addition to the identifiers of National Red Cross
and Red Crescent Societies.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Point (4) confirms our ask regarding the ICRC and IFRC acronyms and suggests
that the reconvened WG also consider to issue a recommendation in regard
to the latter (in line with the GAC advice).</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Point (5) recalls our availability to provide a revised list of name in
the interest of consistency, as discussed and requested in Copenhagen.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
If the concern is regarding the attachments, please advise what you think
could be helpful. The suggestion was made, if I am not mistaken during
the last WG session, that further clarity be provided regarding the legal
grounds for the protections for the Red Cross and Red Crescent identifiers
- this is what the attached Report (and its annexes) seek to provide.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Many thanks and kind regards,</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Stéphane (and Charlotte - presently on leave)</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
<br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"Chuck
Gomes Consulting" <</font><a href=mailto:consult@cgomes.com><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>consult@cgomes.com</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">"'Charlotte
Lindsey Curtet'" <</font><a href=mailto:clindsey@icrc.org><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>clindsey@icrc.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">>,
<</font><a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org"><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="Arial">></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Cc: </font><a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>gnso-secs@icann.org</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">06.08.2017
19:11</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="Arial">Re:
[Gnso-igo-ingo] Follow-up to the second WG call of 20 July 2017 - Reconvened
IGO-INGO Working Group on Red Cross and Red Crescent Names and Identifiers</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="Arial"><br>
Sent by: </font><a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org"><font size=1 color=blue face="Arial"><u>gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks for this Charlotte. I appreciate the need for being precise
when writing legal language but found that I had to read this several times
to grasp what is said. It would be helpful for me if your message
was briefly summarized with a list of the key points made. <br>
<br>
Chuck <br>
<b><br>
From:</b> </font><a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org"><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">
[</font><a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org"><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-bounces@icann.org</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Charlotte Lindsey Curtet<b><br>
Sent:</b> Friday, August 4, 2017 4:46 AM<b><br>
To:</b> </font><a href="mailto:gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org"><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>gnso-igo-ingo@icann.org</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
Cc:</b> </font><a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>gnso-secs@icann.org</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><br>
Subject:</b> [Gnso-igo-ingo] Follow-up to the second WG call of 20 July
2017 - Reconvened IGO-INGO Working Group on Red Cross and Red Crescent
Names and Identifiers <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
Dear Thomas, dear James, <br>
Dear Members of the reconvened Working Group, <br>
<br>
(1) Further to the discussions held during the second meeting of the reconvened
Working group IGO/INGO Protections PDP Working Group held on 20 July, please
find attached a copy of the Non-paper we had submitted to ICANN’s Board
and to the process in 2013. <br>
The attached includes a descriptive of the legal protections of the Red
Cross, Red Crescent and Red Crystal designations and of the names/identifiers
of the respective Red Cross and Red Crescent organizations under international
law and under the domestic laws in force in multiple national jurisdictions.
<br>
<br>
It includes as an annex an outline of relevant extracts from the first
Geneva Convention of 1949 and of the third Additional Protocol adopted
in 2005, and a list of national laws in force in different national jurisdictions
on the use and protection of the emblems and their designations (the
list would require now to be updated to include more recent national laws/Governmental
decrees, as adopted <i>inter alia</i> in South Sudan, Sweden and Venezuela).
<br>
<br>
(2) We take note, as underlined during the recent reconvened Working group
discussions, of the WG’s defined objectives to determine whether the current
protections accorded to the Red Cross and Red Crescent designations and
identifiers (as included under Specification 5 of the Model Registry Agreement)
should be confirmed as permanent.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
<br>
In line with the recommendations of the NGPC/the Board's Resolutions that
the GNSO’s 2013 Recommendations be reconciled with the GAC’s consistent
advice, this would imply that the GNSO’s 2013 recommendations be revised
on two counts: </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
- firstly, to extend the protections accorded to the Red Cross, Red Crescent
and Red Crystal designations (Scope 1 identifiers) to the full exact match
names of the respective Red Cross and Red Crescent organizations (Scope
2 identifiers); and <br>
- second, to confirm the protections of the Red Cross and Red Crescent
designations and identifiers (Scope 1 and Scope 2) <i>as permanent</i>.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Arial"><br>
(3) As recalled during the last reconvened Working Group session and in
line with the GNSO’s decision to initiate its process for Amendments or
Modifications of Approved Policies <i>with regard to Recommendation 5 Section
3.1 of the 2013 Final Report</i>, the extension of the protections should
importantly be made to cover not only the names of the respective <i>National
Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies</i> (190 in total to date), but also
the full exact match names of the two international components of the International
Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement in the six UN languages. This is congruent
with the definition of Scope 2 identifiers as included in the Final Report
of the 2013 PDP – page 10. <br>
This is also confirmed under the Board’s Resolution (2017.03.16.13) and
the latter's Operative paragraph (1). </font>
<p><font size=2 face="Calibri">Reference is also made in this regard to
the GAC’s consistent advice [as expressly stipulated in the GAC Communiqués
adopted in Singapore (27 March 2014), Los Angeles (15 October 2014), Singapore
(11 February 2015), and confirmed in subsequent advice] that the Red Cross
and Red Crescent identifiers be afforded permanent protections. We wish
to underline in this regard that the names of the International Committee
of the Red Cross, of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red
Crescent Societies, and of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent
Movement are included under Specification 5 to the Model Registry Agreement
and already enjoy temporary protections. </font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
(4) With respect to the ICRC and IFRC acronyms (also included under the
definition of Scope 2 names adopted by the GNSO in 2013), the extension
of the <i>permanent</i> protections is not requested here, and thus in
line with the GAC’s past advice, as adopted in Durban (18 July 2013),
that <i>“[t]he same complementary cost neutral mechanisms to be worked
out […] for the protections of IGO’s be used to also protect the acronyms
of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC/IFRC) and the International
Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC/FICR)”</i>. Given
however the importance of also protecting the acronyms of the ICRC and
of the IFRC (particularly the ICRC acronym under which the ICRC is very
commonly known and identified and which forms a part of the ICRC’s institutional
logo), we would propose that the reconvened WG consider to issue also a
recommendation in regard to the ICRC and IFRC acronyms in line with the
GAC’s above-mentioned Durban Communiqué. </font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
(5) Lastly and further to recent exchanges with ICANN Staff, we wish to
inform the members of the reconvened Working Group that, in line with the
agreement during the Facilitated discussion held in Copenhagen, we are
amenable to work further on a revised list of Red Cross and Red Crescent
identifiers to replace the current list included under Specification 5
– this would notably aim to amend the current titles of the two categories
of Red Cross and Red Crescent designations and identifiers (as these do
not offer clarity) and to further harmonize the list of National Red Cross
and Red Crescent Societies identifiers (and their <i>limited</i> and well
defined variations). </font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
We also wish members of the WG to note, as indicated during the Copenhagen
discussion, that a new National Society is in the process of formation
and recognition, namely the “Marshall Islands Red Cross Society” and
that its name will also soon require to be added to the list. </font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require any further clarification.
</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
With kind regards,</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Charlotte </font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><br>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Charlotte Lindsey Curtet<br>
Director<br>
Communication and Information Management Department<br>
International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC)<br>
Tel: + 41 22 730 2773<br>
email: </font><a href=mailto:clindsey@icrc.org><font size=2 color=#0082bf face="Calibri"><u>clindsey@icrc.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Annexes: </font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
- ICRC and IFRC Position paper to ICANN's Board, July/August 2013:</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
<br>
- Extracts from the Government Advisory Committee's Communiqués relevant
to the protection of the Red Cross and Red Crescent designations and identifiers:</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
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