[Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Proposal for Merging CL&D and Translation & Transliteration Implementation

Fri Apr 22 22:08:14 UTC 2016

Hi Roger and Jennifer,

I'd like to clarify a couple of things. As far as I know, T&T is already a policy recommendation adopted by both the gNSO council and the Board. Absent new instructions (from the Board?) on the contrary, we have to start implementation, either bundled with RDAP/Thick Whois or separately.

Regarding the IRD report recommendations, you are right, these are not policy recommendations, but recommendations from a WG convened under the Whois Review. The Board resolution passed in Marrakech instructs staff to work with the community to implement only those recommendations form the report that are consistent with existing requirements (e.g., T&T policy recommendation).

If the decision were not to bundle T&T/IRD with RDAP/Thick Whois, we would have to convene a new IRT and follow the rest of the policy implementation process. Given where we are with RDAP/Thick Whois, my forecast is that we'd request implementation for these two initiatives with a difference of one implementation cycle, i.e., 6 months separation.

Finally, regarding the implementation timeline, it would seem that we are in agreement. Fabien email said we are looking at potentially a 6-month delay, which translates to a 9-month cycle of work with the bundled IRT.

Regards,

-- 
Francisco

P.S. I believe the T&T/IRD recommendations to implement are mostly additions to the gTLD RDAP profile regarding language tags and additional optional translated/transliterated registration data.

On 4/22/16, 11:00 AM, "gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Jennifer Gore Standiford" <gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org on behalf of JStandiford at web.com> wrote:

>Agreed. Thank you again, Roger. 
> 
>I want to re-emphasize the following two (2) key points: 
>·         Please consolidate  (T/T, IRD) into the current RDS PDP in order to 1) Garner registrar support and 2) Ensure a successful outcome
>·         T/T Implementation Review will need a minimum of 9 months (if consolidation doesn’t occur)
> 
> 
>Thank you,
>Jennifer

On 4/22/16, 8:47 AM, "gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Roger D Carney" <gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org on behalf of rcarney at godaddy.com> wrote:

>Good Morning,
>
>I think there were several conversations around this topic when we were in Buenos Aires.
>
>My biggest concern then and now is delay. I agree that there are several streams of WHOIS work being actively worked and it would be nice to consolidate but I don't think that these two international (T/T, IRD) work products are far enough along to incorporate into our Thick/CL&D work. 
>
>Originally I thought that the T/T work could go through a fairly quick Implementation Review, but after several discussions during and after Buenos Aires it appears that there are several widely divergent mindsets on a couple of the recommendations, particularly recommendations 2 and 7 and how/if they relate to recommendation 1. I would estimate that this implementation review will need 9-12 months and possibly more.
>
>As far as the IRD, aren't these just proposals? Isn't there PDP and IRT work that needs to be completed? The Board resolution that you mention (https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2016-03-10-en#1.e) seems to call out that the IRD work should be looked at in other WHOIS policy and specifically mentions the IRD work be used as an input into the RDS PDP that is currently ongoing.
>
>As much as I like the charge to consolidate the WHOIS efforts I think that incorporating either or both of these two (T/T, IRD) work products into the Thick/CL&D would create an unnecessary delay on the current Thick/CL&D schedule. To me, the more logical consolidation is wrapping these two items (T/T, IRD) into the currently ongoing RDS PDP.
>
>
>Thanks
>Roger
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of gtheo
>Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:39 AM
>To: Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org>
>Cc: gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt at icann.org
>Subject: Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Proposal for Merging CL&D and Translation & Transliteration Implementation
>
>
>It might be something we want to try and combine some of these projects. 
>Currently, there are too many ongoing WHOIS projects, finished and unfinished projects might indeed create overlap and overhead.
>
>That being said, the T/T recommendations might not be everyone's cup of tea and there might be a risk we get stuck, would that delay the WHOIS migration? How do we handle such scenarios?
>
>Furthermore do we currently have enough coverage member wise to handle this?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Theo Geurts
>
>
>
>
>Fabien Betremieux schreef op 2016-04-21 10:46 PM:
>> Dear IRT Members,
>> 
>> As you may be aware, the ICANN board has directed staff to develop an 
>> implementation plan for the GNSO Recommendations on the Translation 
>> and Transliteration (T/T) of Contact Information 
>> (https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2015-09-28
>> -en#1.b [1]). More recently, the ICANN Board further directed staff to 
>> incorporate the recommendations of the Internationalized Registration 
>> Data (IRD) Working Group Final Report's into the T/T implementation 
>> plan where appropriate
>> (https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2016-03-10
>> -en#1.e)
>> 
>> 
>> Considering our overarching goal to minimize impact on affected 
>> parties and to bundle related implementation where possible (per the 
>> GDD's policy change calendar at:
>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdd-policy-change-calendar
>> -13may15-en.pdf), we are considering merging the implementation of the 
>> T/T and IRD recommendations into the Consistent Labeling and Display 
>> (CL&D) work stream of the Thick Whois Implementation.
>> 
>> We would like to gather your thoughts on this proposal while we are 
>> similarly engaging with the T/T PDP Working Group chairs, and before 
>> we request consideration of this proposal by the GNSO Council.
>> 
>> We've identified a number of synergies between CL&D, RDAP, T/T and IRD 
>> that we believe will lower the marginal costs of implementation for 
>> both affected parties and ICANN:
>> 
>> 	*
>> T/T Implementation will primarily affect RDDS output
>> 	* T/T Implementation will require new extensions to EPP (language tag 
>> and T/T flag) as may be the case from CL&D (depending on the final 
>> implementation proposal)
>> 	* T/T Implementation is recommended to be coordinated with the 
>> roll-out of RDAP (which is already synchronized with implementation of
>> CL&D)
>> 	* The data model for the T/T implementation is relatively consistent 
>> with the RDAP model and a "harmonization exercise" between the two was 
>> recommended in the IRD Report
>> 	* Instead of creating and managing a specific IRT for the T/T 
>> implementation, we could leverage the expertise we have gathered 
>> already in the Thick Whois IRT
>> 	* Ultimately, contracted parties would be tasked with implementing a 
>> single package of consensus policies rather than several discrete one
>> 
>> While we don't expect that such a merger would impact the transition 
>> from thin to thick of .COM, .NET and .JOBS, we have estimated that it 
>> would add at least 6 months to the timeline of the CL&D 
>> implementation. Ultimately, we believe that this is a more time- and 
>> resource-efficient option than recruiting a separate IRT for T/T and 
>> carrying out a separate implementation.
>> 
>> Before we request that the GNSO Chairs include this proposal as an 
>> item on their Consent Agenda for their meeting on 12 May, we would 
>> like to gather your thoughts.
>> 
>> We would appreciate if you could share your thinking in relation to 
>> the above proposal by next Thursday 28 April COB in your time zone.
>> 
>> Thank you for your consideration
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> --
>> Fabien Betremieux
>> Sr. Registry Services & Engagement Manager Global Domains Division, 
>> ICANN
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1]
>> https://features.icann.org/gnso-council-recommendations-translation-an
>> d-transliteration-contact-information
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