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<div>I agree with Steve that we should look at incentives to move the transition of domain name registrations to the Thick Whois. And I agree that relying on compliance to enforce after 18 months is not acceptable due to the compliance team’s collaborative
actions with registrars, simple issues take much longer than they need to take, this could push the timeline much farther down the road. </div>
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<div>What if ICANN stepped forward and offered a monetary incentive to move the registrations to Thick Whois within a much shorter time frame? A small reduction in fees for example. </div>
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<div>I am sure there are other positive incentives that we could come up with but if not transparency is always valuable to the ICANN community as a whole. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Steven Metalitz <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 11:24 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>'Jody Kolker' <<a href="mailto:jkolker@godaddy.com">jkolker@godaddy.com</a>>, Rob Golding <<a href="mailto:rob.golding@astutium.com">rob.golding@astutium.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org</a>"
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Open Item 7b - Coordination/Incentive for Registrars Migration to Thick<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Let’s remember why we are having this conversation.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thick Whois is a consensus policy. And the registrars, through this implementation process, are giving themselves eighteen months (from the date the
registry production system opens – a year from now) to achieve compliance with that policy. I agree that at that point (February 2019 under the current timetable), failure to provide the required data to the registry will be a matter of contract compliance
under the RAA (though I would contest that it becomes “public at that point”). <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The question we are discussing is whether there are any incentives that can be created so that registrars will provide the required data to the
registry within a period of less than 18 months. Incentives can be positive or negative. Making public the extent to which each registrar is providing the required data on existing registrations, at some point during the 18-month period, certainly could
provide some incentive. The reaction below (and others on this thread) demonstrate pretty clearly that a registrar would not wish to appear on a public list that shows a relatively low percentage of registrations for which the data has been provided to the
registry. I would call that an incentive for the registrar to move faster toward full achievement of thick Whois than it might otherwise do. That is how a negative incentive works --- if you don’t do X, then you suffer some detriment. In this case that
detriment takes the form, to use Rob’s term, of “naming and shaming.” It does not take the form of contract compliance action, because that does not apply until the 18 months have elapsed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I agree it may be of no immediate value to the registrar to have this information made public. Value to the registrar is not what we are talking
about here. We are talking about whether making this information public will give registrars an incentive to come into compliance faster than they are required to do (under the deadline they have set for themselves through this group). Accelerated compliance
would benefit the credibility of ICANN and of the multi-stakeholder model, both of which are losing credibility the longer this implementation process drags on. It could benefit competition, which is another way of saying it could benefit those registrars
who move relatively faster toward thick Whois. It would benefit transparency. And it would benefit the public (ultimately it was the benefit to the public that motivated ICANN to adopt this consensus policy in the first place). But no, it would not benefit
the registrar that is simply aiming for compliance at the end of 18 months. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">What I am drawing from this thread is that the registrars in this group do not want to see any incentives provided for them to do their jobs faster
than the 18 months they have decided on as the deadline for doing the job. This is disappointing but certainly not surprising. It is a perfectly legitimate position for registrars to take based on their own self-interest, but it gives short shrift to the
other interests noted above, including competition, transparency, and the credibility of the multi-stakeholder model.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I would certainly welcome any other suggestions for incentives – positive or negative – to encourage registrars to complete their role in achieving
thick Whois in less than 18 months. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Steve Metalitz
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">
<a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jody Kolker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 12, 2016 6:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rob Golding; <a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Open Item 7b - Coordination/Incentive for Registrars Migration to Thick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">+1.<br>
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Jody Kolker<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Rob Golding<br>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 5:22 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Open Item 7b - Coordination/Incentive for Registrars Migration to Thick<br>
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Hi<br>
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I cannot see a single valid reason why any form of unnecessary "naming and shaming" relating to a work-in-progress could benefit anyone - verisign producing a X% completed report is fine, but no details need to be "public" relating to any individual registrar.<br>
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If the deadlines are not met, that'll be a compliance issue, and public at that point<br>
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If the deadline has not yet been reached, there is no benefit to providing fuel for a fire that din't need to be lit and serves no useful purpose<br>
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The Registrant (ultimately the only party that matters) isn't asking for this policy, isn't (obviously) benefited by the policy, and publicising sensitive corporate data about their chosen registrar could well be seen as doing demnstrable harm<br>
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Rob<br>
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Rob Golding <a href="mailto:rob.golding@astutium.com">rob.golding@astutium.com</a><br>
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