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<p>Thanks Dennis, <br>
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<p>Regarding the agenda items, if we do not get through all of them
they will be automatically moved to the next call right?</p>
<p>Best, <br>
</p>
<p>Theo <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12-9-2016 21:39, Dennis Chang wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The agenda and
the latest documents were distributed last week as attached
and the draft letter is on the agenda.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The IRT agenda
can be also be found on the IRT wiki:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/display/TWCPI/IRT+Meetings#IRTMeetings-13September2016">https://community.icann.org/display/TWCPI/IRT+Meetings#IRTMeetings-13September2016</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Provided below
for your convenience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">I am assuming
all IRT members have access to the IRT wiki page. If not,
please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><span
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September 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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memo to GNSO Council regarding Privacy (if time permits)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">Dennis
Chang</span><span
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org></a>
on behalf of "Metalitz, Steven" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:met@msk.com"><met@msk.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 12, 2016 at 11:32 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>'gtheo' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"><gtheo@xs4all.nl></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org">"gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org"><gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] [for iRT
review] Draft Thick Whois Transition Policy for .COM,
.NET, and .JOBS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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have not yet seen any agenda for tomorrow’s call but
assuming that it includes a discussion of the Verisign
draft letter to GNSO council, it would be great to have
Verisign’s responses to the questions about it that I
posed two weeks ago. See below. </span>
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Metalitz, Steven schreef op 2016-09-08 05:25 PM:<br>
> Theo’s ruminations lead me to repeat the questions I
posed to Marc<span style="font-family:PMingLiU"><br>
</span>> last week about his draft memo:<span
style="font-family:PMingLiU"><br>
</span>> <span style="font-family:PMingLiU"><br>
</span>> (1) The first two developments to which you
cite are the<br>
> invalidation of the US-EU Safe Harbor Program and the
adoption of the<br>
> EU-US Privacy Shield framework to replace it. My
impression is that<br>
> US registries generally did not rely upon the Safe
Harbor in<br>
> processing thick Whois data (e.g., receiving Whois
data containing<br>
> personally identifiable information from European
registrars and<br>
> making it available through registry Whois), and so
would not have<br>
> been directly impacted by its invalidation. Is my
impression wrong?<br>
> If I am correct then what is the relevance of either
the Safe Harbor<br>
> or the Privacy Shield in this context?<br>
> <br>
> (2) The last paragraph refers to data localization
laws apart from<br>
> EU privacy/data protection laws. Can you be more
specific? I note<br>
> that the Russian law was referenced in footnotes 2
and 10 of the legal<br>
> review provided to the IRT in June 2015, are there
other issues not<br>
> covered by that analysis?<br>
> <br>
> (3) If the IRT were to send this letter, the GNSO
council might<br>
> well ask what (if anything) we are asking them to do.
How would you<br>
> respond?<br>
> <br>
> In particular, If I understand Theo correctly, his
answer to #3 would<br>
> be “please tear up the consensus policy recommended
by the Working<span style="font-family:PMingLiU"><br>
</span>> Group, adopted by the GNSO Council, and
approved by the ICANN board,<span
style="font-family:PMingLiU"><br>
</span>> it is obsolete, and let’s not waste [further]
time implementing<span style="font-family:PMingLiU"><br>
</span>> it.” Is that reading correct, and do others in
the IRT support<span style="font-family:PMingLiU"><br>
</span>> that?<span style="font-family:PMingLiU"><br>
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> TO: Marika Konings; Metalitz, Steven; 'Volker
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> CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> SUBJECT: Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] [for iRT
review] Draft Thick<br>
> Whois Transition Policy for .COM, .NET, and .JOBS<br>
> <br>
> Interesting review. After reading it I agree with
Volker here.<br>
> <br>
> Few things that stood out.<br>
> <br>
> It seems the focus was put on the 95/46/EC Directive
(makes sense) but<br>
> Safe Harbor was not included in. I am not sure if
that was intended? I<br>
> would not be surprised that anyone ever thought that
it would be a<br>
> possibility that it would be invalidated, and what
the consequences<br>
> are.<br>
> <br>
> Anyways, we just need a good procedure for this IRT.
The legal review<br>
> does not address the current impediment, so that is
not up to us.<br>
> <br>
> What is up to us, maybe, are the benefits mentioned
in the legal<br>
> review (page5)?<br>
> <br>
> Let me list them:<br>
> 1. A thick Whois model offers attractive archival and
restoration<br>
> properties. If a registrar were to go out of business
or experience<br>
> long-term technical failures rendering<br>
> them unable to provide service, registries
maintaining thick Whois<br>
> have all the registrant information at hand and could
transfer the<br>
> registrations to a different (or temporary) registrar
so that<br>
> registrants could continue to manage their domain
names.<br>
> <br>
> 2. A thick Whois model reduces the degree of
variability in display<br>
> formats.<br>
> <br>
> 3. Establishing requirements such as collecting
uniform sets of<br>
> data, and display standards, improves consistency
across all gTLDs at<br>
> all levels and result in better access to Whois data
for all users of<br>
> Whois databases (e.g. law enforcement, Intellectual
Property holders,<br>
> etc).<br>
> <br>
> 4. The uptime of the registry with respect to Whois
data has<br>
> typically been found to be better (at least
marginally) than the<br>
> registrar.<br>
> <br>
> I am not sure about the rest of you, but this
re-enforces the point<br>
> that this migration has been in the freezer for too
long.<br>
> <br>
> Point 1, that's why we have escrow obligations. The
reasoning in<br>
> point 1 is not sustainable for the future I am
afraid.<br>
> Point 2 and 3, This has been addressed by the RAA
2013 and the AWIP<br>
> policy released in 2015.<br>
> Point 4, I suspect with RDAP this problem will also
be solved.<br>
> Beside the RAA 2013 also addresses this with an SLA.<br>
> <br>
> One could almost argue there are no benefits. Not
sure if you guys<br>
> want to circle back on this one and include this in a
side note for<br>
> the comment period.<br>
> <br>
> Also, interesting to read but, out of scope for this
IRT (I think) is<br>
> the RDAP solution (page 12 of the legal review)? It
could be me, but<br>
> it almost looks like if there was a quick procedure
and workable<br>
> procedure then the technical issue would be solved
also, and it would<br>
> solve our impediment.<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for making it this far.<br>
> <br>
> Theo<br>
> <br>
> theo geurts schreef op 2016-09-07 10:22 PM:<br>
> <br>
>> Thanks, Marika,<br>
>> <br>
>> I'll give that one a read tomorrow. Though I
think Volker is right.<br>
>> Seems we are operating under old marching orders,
Steve already<br>
>> warned<br>
>> us that this thing has taken way too long. The
draft Verisign<br>
>> prepared<br>
>> does actually highlight the current situation.
And to be fair? How<br>
>> many people would have thought that Safe Harbor
would have been<br>
>> invalidated? Not me for sure. But I also did not
predict the brexit<br>
>> or<br>
>> Trump running for president.<br>
>> <br>
>> In addition to this, I think we are in agreement
here. It is not up<br>
>> to<br>
>> this IRT. We can only signal the GNSO that most
likely we have a<br>
>> few<br>
>> impediments.<br>
>> <br>
>> Best regards,<br>
>> <br>
>> Theo<br>
>> <br>
>> On 7-9-2016 16:53, Marika Konings wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> And it can be found here:<br>
>> <br>
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>> Whois Transition Policy for .COM, .NET, and .JOBS<br>
>> <br>
>> That legal review was undertaken more than a year
ago.<br>
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>> SENT: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 10:44 AM<br>
>> TO: Metalitz, Steven; gtheo<br>
>> CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> SUBJECT: Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] [for iRT
review] Draft Thick<br>
>> Whois Transition Policy for .COM, .NET, and .JOBS<br>
>> <br>
>> Partially. As the thick whois WG clearly
recommended that a legal<br>
>> review be undertaken with regard to the impact of
any implementation<br>
>> on local privacy legislations, the question of
available excemptions<br>
>> may well become relevant to such a review.<br>
>> <br>
>> Best,<br>
>> <br>
>> Volker<br>
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>> Am 07.09.2016 um 16:38 schrieb Metalitz, Steven:<br>
>> <br>
>> Agree that this issue is outside the scope of
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ON BEHALF OF<br>
>> Volker Greimann<br>
>> SENT: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:28 AM<br>
>> TO: gtheo<br>
>> CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org</a><br>
>> SUBJECT: Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] [for iRT
review] Draft<br>
>> Thick Whois Transition Policy for .COM, .NET, and
.JOBS<br>
>> <br>
>> Well, I agree that we need a workable process for
obtaining an<br>
>> excemption, but that is a discussion for another
group, I guess.<br>
>> An<br>
>> Implementation Advisory Group, if you will. I
hear there may soon<br>
>> be<br>
>> another one of those. ;-)<br>
>> <br>
>> Best,<br>
>> <br>
>> Volker<br>
>> <br>
>> Am 07.09.2016 um 15:18 schrieb gtheo:<br>
>> <br>
>> That might be a way forward Volker.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
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>> <br>
>> <br>
>> However, that one wasn't exactly "speedy". Took
me two years to<br>
>> <br>
>> obtain<br>
>> <br>
>> one.<br>
>> The invalidation of Safe Harbor was rather
sudden. Some<br>
>> <br>
>> governments<br>
>> <br>
>> displayed the last 12 months that things can
change at record<br>
>> <br>
>> speed<br>
>> <br>
>> law wise.<br>
>> <br>
>> I guess the problem boils down to this.<br>
>> -Sudden changes in law putting migrated Registrar
businesses at<br>
>> <br>
>> risk.<br>
>> <br>
>> -The procedure can take much longer than the
proposed timeline.<br>
>> -There might be Registrars that cannot migrate.<br>
>> <br>
>> I am not sure, but I have the feeling that it is
not up to the<br>
>> <br>
>> IRT to<br>
>> <br>
>> fix this as it is out of scope.<br>
>> Though Registrars who cannot migrate, we might
want to mention<br>
>> <br>
>> RDAP.<br>
>> <br>
>> Even though that is already mentioned in the RDAP
spec when it<br>
>> <br>
>> comes<br>
>> <br>
>> to Thin WHOIS Registries.<br>
>> <br>
>> Theo<br>
>> <br>
>> Volker Greimann schreef op 2016-09-07 01:24 PM:<br>
>> <br>
>> How about adding: "Further procedures for
resolving conflicts<br>
>> <br>
>> with<br>
>> <br>
>> local privacy laws are included in the 2013 RAA
Data Retention<br>
>> specification"?<br>
>> <br>
>> Am 07.09.2016 um 12:52 schrieb gtheo:<br>
>> <br>
>> Hello all,<br>
>> <br>
>> _1. Where a conflict exists between local privacy
laws and<br>
>> requirements included in this Policy, ICANN's
Procedure for<br>
>> Handling WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Laws is
available for<br>
>> <br>
>> Registry<br>
>> <br>
>> Operators and Registrars. _<br>
>> <br>
>> We didn't get around this yesterday, wich is
fine. Let us see<br>
>> <br>
>> if we<br>
>> <br>
>> can have some discussion in advance about this as
I am<br>
>> <br>
>> struggling<br>
>> <br>
>> with this section for a few now.<br>
>> <br>
>> The text itself is good, as in, this is what I
expected after<br>
>> <br>
>> the<br>
>> <br>
>> discussions we had about this in the last few
months.<br>
>> <br>
>> What I am not sure off is how to deal with this
in the sense of<br>
>> moving forward to the comment period.<br>
>> The procedure is not working, but is outside of
this IRT to<br>
>> <br>
>> address,<br>
>> <br>
>> yet this IRT relies on it.<br>
>> <br>
>> Are we going to put in a footnote in the report
that says<br>
>> <br>
>> something<br>
>> <br>
>> like:<br>
>> _Outside the scope of the IRT to address, but we
wish the<br>
>> <br>
>> Registrars<br>
>> <br>
>> and Registrants the best of luck!_<br>
>> <br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Theo<br>
>> <br>
>> Dennis Chang schreef op 2016-09-02 02:05 AM:<br>
>> <br>
>> Dear Thick Whois Policy Implementation Review
Team,<br>
>> <br>
>> Attached for your review is our initial draft of
the Thick<br>
>> <br>
>> Whois<br>
>> <br>
>> Transition Policy for .COM, .NET and .JOBS. The
draft Policy<br>
>> includes<br>
>> the various elements discussed in our recent
meeting on this<br>
>> topic.<br>
>> <br>
>> As you review the draft, you will find bracketed
text in four<br>
>> sections: sections 2.9, 2.10, 3.4 and 3.5. These
sections are<br>
>> bracketed because they reference the Registry
Registration Data<br>
>> Directory Services Consistent Labeling and
Display Policy and<br>
>> <br>
>> the<br>
>> <br>
>> Registration Data Access Protocol gTLD Profile.
As you may be<br>
>> aware, a<br>
>> Request for Reconsideration (RfR) was submitted
by the<br>
>> <br>
>> Registries<br>
>> <br>
>> Stakeholder Group in August regarding the
Registry Registration<br>
>> Data<br>
>> Directory Services Consistent Labeling and
Display Policy [1<br>
>> <br>
>> [1]]<br>
>> <br>
>> that was<br>
>> published on 26 July 2016. The RfR objects to the
inclusion of<br>
>> RDAP in<br>
>> the Consensus Policy. While the RfR goes through
its own<br>
>> <br>
>> process,<br>
>> <br>
>> we<br>
>> thought it was important to continue progressing
the<br>
>> implementation<br>
>> project with the goal of opening Public Comment
in September<br>
>> <br>
>> and<br>
>> <br>
>> announcing the Transition Policy by 1 February
2017 per our<br>
>> schedule.<br>
>> Therefore, the text is bracketed as it may need
to be revisited<br>
>> pending the resolution of the RfR and we wanted
to directly<br>
>> <br>
>> call<br>
>> <br>
>> the<br>
>> IRT's attention to it.<br>
>> <br>
>> We will review all contents of the document at
our next IRT<br>
>> meeting as<br>
>> a team but please provide your comments in
advance via email if<br>
>> possible.<br>
>> <br>
>> Thank you for your support!<br>
>> <br>
>> --<br>
>> <br>
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>> <br>
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