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Hi Francisco,<br>
<br>
Thanks for the clarifications, very helpful.<br>
<br>
Regarding this transition, I was not aware this was pending
community discussion, My guess outside of the ICANN bubble very few
are aware.<br>
It is now clear to me that the two should coexist.<br>
But the RAA 2013 is less clear when it comes to this subject (the
reason I brought this up). <br>
<br>
Registration Data Directory Services. <br>
<br>
U<i>ntil ICANN requires a different protocol, Registrar will operate
a WHOIS service available via port 43 in accordance with RFC 3912,
and a web-based Directory Service providing free public
query-based access to at least the elements set forth in Section
3.3.1.1 through 3.3.1.8 of the Registrar Accreditation Agreement
in the format set forth in Section 1.4 of this Specification.
ICANN reserves the right to specify alternative formats and
protocols, and upon such specification, the Registrar will
implement such alternative specification as soon as reasonably
practicable.</i><br>
<br>
Now we can have several interpretations on how we could read this,
but one of the interpretations could be, implement RDAP and your
requirement for the port 43 service is no longer required, as it is
replaced by RDAP. <br>
<br>
In short, the RAA 2013 does not specify what to do. <br>
The email that was sent out a few weeks ago about RDAP did not
specify what to do, besides implementing it. <br>
As such you might have Registrars come up with their own
interpretation. <br>
<br>
But perhaps I am the only one who sees an issue here.<br>
<br>
Talk to you folks on the call in a few. <br>
<br>
Theo <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27-9-2016 02:33, Francisco Arias
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[Apologies
for not replying inline, the new version of Outlook won’t
let me.]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The date for
shutting down Whois port 43 has not been discussed or
defined with the community. Therefore, stating 1 February
2017 we would be in the transition period where both WHOIS
and RDAP would coexist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The
requirement for having a valid DNSSEC chain of trust is not
coming from the RDAP RFCs; this is a requirement from the
gTLD RDAP profile that was discussed and agreed with the
community.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The
requirement to preserve case is a “SHOULD” not a “MUST”,
hence following your example, the contracted party would be
free to return “example.com”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The gTLD
RDAP profile requires registrant, technical and
administrative, and optionally allows for a billing contact.
The gTLD profile addresses how to support more roles (e.g.,
contacts), for example, see section 1.3.6 of the profile.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Regarding
variants, section 1.5.17 of the profile addresses this:
<i>In the case of Registrars, the variants member MUST
reflect the latest known set of variant domain names and
relation types.</i><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Francisco</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">On
9/26/16, 5:05 AM, "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of theo geurts" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org</a>
on behalf of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Thanks Dennis, <br>
<br>
First of all, if we look what has been published is that
RDAP should be implemented Feb 1, 2017 (draft 1 April). What
I am missing, is a transition period. If everyone implements
it, and shuts down the WHOIS servers we have a problem.
<br>
<br>
The resource records related to the RDAP service MUST be
signed with DNSSEC, and the DNSSEC chain of trust from the
root trust anchor to the name of the RDAP server MUST be
valid at all times.<br>
-Looks sensible, but I cannot find this in the RFC's
mentioned, is the above language a result of this?<br>
<br>
In the case (i.e. uppercase and lowercase) of the data
returned in RDAP responses SHOULD preserve the case received
via EPP.<br>
-TG- This needs to be specified perhaps for contact fields
for example. As it, reads now you register ExAmPlE.com but
you cannot return, example.com. Least that is how I read it.
<br>
<br>
The domain object in the RDAP response MUST contain entities
with the following roles. Exactly one entity per role MUST
be present in the response.<br>
-TG-Most gTLDs support more roles. Is there no support or
does the policy ends this support for more roles?<br>
<br>
-RDAP does not support a country code for a contact, rather
RDAP requires a full country name.
<br>
-TG- This, is a mapping nightmare, not everyone supports the
official mapping, not sure how much work this is and will
vary from Registrar to Registrar.
<br>
<br>
If the queried domain name is allocated, the following
applies: If allocated variant domain names exist for the
queried domain name, or if the domain name is an allocated
variant domain name, the domain object in the RDAP response
MUST contain a variants member [RFC7483].<br>
-TG- We do not store this, and it seems to contradict the
following in the profile :"The purpose of this profile is
to specify the RDAP requirements that are in line with the
current Whois service requirements."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Theo <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24-9-2016 20:10, Dennis Chang wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Theo,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This is
the first item on the agenda for the IRT meeting on
Tuesday.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please
keep the questions coming.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If you
could provide specifics on “irregularities within RDAP”
and “clarification on a few issues” in advance, that
will help us to prepare better for our team discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Dennis Chang</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="color:black">theo geurts
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"><gtheo@xs4all.nl></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 1:16 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Anderson, Marc" <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mcanderson@verisign.com"><mcanderson@verisign.com></a>,
Dennis Chang
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dennis.chang@icann.org"><dennis.chang@icann.org></a>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org">
"gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org"</a> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org">
<gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt]
Proposed Path Forward | Thick Whois CL&D Policy,
RDAP and RySG Request for Reconsideration</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dennis,<br>
<br>
This looks like the path forward, and I am supportive of
the proposed path forward as a Registrar.<br>
<br>
Perhaps I am jumping the gun here, but how would this
dialogue with the community take place?
<br>
Furthermore, how do we address irregularities within RDAP?
Or get clarification on a few issues that I assume have
not been discussed yet?<br>
<br>
Thanks, <br>
<br>
Theo <br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 21-9-2016 19:58, Anderson, Marc
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dennis,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thank you for
the excellent explanation and details. On behalf of
Verisign and as a member of the RySG I would like to
express my support for the revised CL&D policy and
the path forward you have laid out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thank you,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Marc Anderson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Proposed
Path Forward | Thick Whois CL&D Policy, RDAP
and RySG Request for Reconsideration</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear IRT members,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As you know, on 7 February 2014, the
ICANN Board adopted GNSO consensus policy
recommendations regarding the provision of “Thick” Whois
by all gTLD registries.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In consultation with the consensus
policy Implementation Review Team (IRT), the
implementation team identified two expected outcomes in
the policy development process (PDP) recommendations:<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">The
consistent labeling and display of WHOIS output for
all gTLDs
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">The
transition from Thin to Thick WHOIS for .COM, .NET and
.JOBS
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<p class="MsoNormal">The first outcome was published as a
consensus policy, the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_rdds-2Dlabeling-2Dpolicy-2D2016-2D07-2D26-2Den&d=DQMDaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=pkBrE3ogDYFgpWAATzOOdmRD93_Pz1PCrWtnSZN7Lg4&s=7mN42JF9avjgJDjFj4ZrjgmhMajcH8mgr2MOTxILGts&e=">Registry
Registration Data Directory Services Consistent
Labeling and Display Policy[icann.org]</a> (CL&D
Policy), on 26 July 2016.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In August 2016, the Registry
Stakeholder Group (RySG) submitted a
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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for Reconsideration[icann.org]</a> (RfR) regarding the
CL&D Policy. The RfR objects to the inclusion of
RDAP as part of the Consensus Policy as RDAP was not
contemplated or referenced in the policy
recommendations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To resolve this matter, ICANN
proposes the following path forward for the IRT:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. ICANN to issue a revised CL&D
Policy to all registry operators, removing provision 12.
For your reference, provision 12 states: “The
implementation of an RDAP service in accordance with the
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Operational Profile for gTLD Registries and
Registrars[icann.org]</a>" is required for all gTLD
registries in order to achieve consistent labeling and
display.” Additionally, I have attached the proposed
revised CL&D Policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Issue a revised notification to
registry operators regarding implementation of the
CL&D Policy, clearly indicating what has changed in
the revised CL&D Policy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">3. Set the revised CL&D Policy
effective date to allow for full 6-month implementation
from the date of the revised notice.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">4. Update the published CL&D
Policy on the ICANN website, noting a change has been
made. Note: The revised CL&D Policy would
<u>not</u> be subject to another Public Comment process.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">5. Rescind the notification sent to
registrars to implement RDAP.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">ICANN intends to issue notices for
registries and registrars to implement RDAP after
further dialogue with the community.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let us know if you have
comments or concerns by responding to this list. Unless
we hear otherwise, we intend to move forward with the
plan outlined above on 4 October 2016.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Chang</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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