<html><body><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Hi Theo,</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Yes this was what I brought up, essentially I suggested that the data escrow that we provide to IM could be used for the population of this date as it covers everything needed. I am not suggesting we give ICANN or Verisign permission to gain this from IM, but, we as registrars if we elect too as an option provide a version to Verisign with only com/net in it.<br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Let me give a scenario why we need a alternative :<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Small registrar may not have the technical ability in house to implement batch pool EPP services (they simply may not use it) and thus in this case, they do have to provide IM with the data escrow - they could simply have one of their staff open the csv file in excel, filter it for the TLDs required, and then save it.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>The file is standardised (well that's a moot point as neither ICANN stand up to their RDE spec of 2007, and IM point us back to the document - but thats a whole other story with ICANN Compliance) so from Verisigns point of view - it should be a simple import.<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Lets also add to the above, you can guarantee that a lot of registrars may leave this to the last minute, so, providing a one of file and allowing Verisign to import it is way simpler. <br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>Lastly, if some large registrars do wait until the last minute to start the EPP upload, and Verisign runs out of resources and cannot cope (not saying that they will but you have to think of the worst case scenario) who is to blame on the expected end date when the report is created showing X, Y and Z registrars have not completed their uploads and it is shown its down to resources at Verisign ?<br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__SIG_PRE__">Kind regards,<br><br>Chris</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"theo geurts" <gtheo@xs4all.nl><br><b>To: </b>"Dennis Chang" <dennis.chang@icann.org>, "Anderson, Marc" <mcanderson@verisign.com>, gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 27 September, 2016 18:13:51<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Thick Whois Transition Policy draft v4<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__">Hi Dennis,<br> Maybe we are going the wrong way here and we mixing things.<br> <br> We discussed the alternative because it came up during a discussion within the RrSG. And I think Jennifer Gore mentioned this on the list.<br> Now I think, but Chris Pelling can most likely bring some clarity here on why he proposed to use the RDE data for the migration, and I think but I am not sure, his reasoning was to speed things up. But I will let Chris weigh in on that one.<br> <br> But if that is the case and combine the fact that we also said not to use the RDE deposit approach as an alternative bulk method then we might want to backtrack on this alternative approach altogether. <br> <br> I cannot come up with a good argument that justifies an alternative bulk method while the Registrar in question has to make the EPP modifications anyways (May 2018). But perhaps Jennifer can weigh in on this? I have a feeling that we are mixing a few conversations and emails into requirements for no good reason.<br> <br> Theo <br><p><br></p><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27-9-2016 17:12, Dennis Chang wrote:<br></div><blockquote cite="mid:A66A5E82-C383-4590-ACDC-A579A561F243@icann.org"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Theo,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">I’ll be sure to add to the agenda.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">For Section 2.2, if you could provide suggested language before the meeting, I can have it for the IRT to review as well.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> </span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;">Thanks</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;">Dennis Chang</span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> </span></p><div style="border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style="border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;">From: </span></b><span style="color: black;" data-mce-style="color: black;">"Anderson, Marc" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mcanderson@verisign.com" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:mcanderson@verisign.com"><mcanderson@verisign.com></a><br> <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 8:07 AM<br> <b>To: </b>Dennis Chang <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dennis.chang@icann.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:dennis.chang@icann.org"><dennis.chang@icann.org></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org">"gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org"><gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org></a><br> <b>Subject: </b>RE: Thick Whois Transition Policy draft v4</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Dennis,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Thank you for sending out this updated version. In preparation for our upcoming call I have a couple items.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2;" data-mce-style="text-indent: -.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2;"><span style="font-family: Symbol;" data-mce-style="font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;" data-mce-style="mso-list: Ignore;">·<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';" data-mce-style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Section 2.2 pertains to Registries providing an (alternative) bulk method for the backfill of contact data. I’d like to propose an update to the language in this section. Could I have some time during the meeting to present?</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2;" data-mce-style="text-indent: -.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2;"><span style="font-family: Symbol;" data-mce-style="font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;" data-mce-style="mso-list: Ignore;">·<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';" data-mce-style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">At the last meeting I brought up the billing contact and agreed to propose clarifying language. I suggest adding a section 2.11 that states:</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;" data-mce-style="margin-left: .5in;"><i><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">The “Billing” contact is optional. Registry Policy may define if it is required, optional or not supported. If supported the Billing contact information must be displayed as described in the “Advisory: Clarifications to the Registry Agreement, and the 2013 Registrar Accreditation Agreement (RAA) regarding applicable Registration Data Directory Service (Whois) Specifications” (section 22).</span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .25in;" data-mce-style="margin-left: .25in;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .25in;" data-mce-style="margin-left: .25in;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">I’d also like to get the IRT’s thoughts on the Billing contact in general. My sense is that no one is really concerned if the billing contact is present or not and that in order to facilitate the transition from thin to thick it would be easiest to not include it.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .25in;" data-mce-style="margin-left: .25in;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo4;" data-mce-style="text-indent: -.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo4;"><span style="font-family: Symbol;" data-mce-style="font-family: Symbol;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;" data-mce-style="mso-list: Ignore;">·<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';" data-mce-style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Finally, can we add an agenda item to talk about Escrow of contact data? It was a topic considered during the PDP deliberations but we haven’t touched on it as part of the IRT deliberations.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Thank you,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Marc Anderson</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><div><div style="border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style="border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Tahoma;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Tahoma;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Tahoma;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> <a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dennis Chang<br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 22, 2016 12:22 PM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org" target="_blank" data-mce-href="mailto:gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org">gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt@icann.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-impl-thickwhois-rt] Thick Whois Transition Policy draft v4</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Dear Thick Whois IRT,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Attached are the Transition Policy drafts from our review this week. A clean and redlined provided for your further review.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Three key updates are </span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -.25in;" data-mce-style="text-indent: -.25in;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">1)</span><span style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" data-mce-style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Adapted the alternate definition of Thick</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -.25in;" data-mce-style="text-indent: -.25in;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">2)</span><span style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" data-mce-style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Incorporated the requirements to the body of policy per sections rather than the definition</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -.25in;" data-mce-style="text-indent: -.25in;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">3)</span><span style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" data-mce-style="font-size: 7.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Removed sections referring to RDAP </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Please provide your comments prior to the meeting if possible so that we may continue to discuss on line and prepare better for the team meeting next week.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Agenda for the next meeting will be provided to you in a separate email which you may also comment on.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> </span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;">— </span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;">Kind Regards,</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: black;">Dennis S. 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