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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=FR link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The next Standing Committee on Improvements Implementation meeting will take place<u> on 13 September 2012 at 19:00 UTC.</u><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Please find the Mp3 recording from the SCI call on <b>Thursday, 30 August 2012</b> at: <br><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-sci-20120830-en.mp3"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-sci-20120830-en.mp3</span></a> on page </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Default><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Transcript and Mp3 recorded will be posted shortly on:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#aug"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#aug</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=Default><b><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'>Attendees </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Default><span style='color:windowtext'> Avri Doria – Non Commercial SG – Primary <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ray Fassett - Registry Stakeholder Group - Primary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J. Scott Evans - Intellectual Property Constituency – Primary <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Anne Aikman-Scalese – IPC Alternate<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=Default><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext'>Ron Andruff - Commercial and Business Users Constituency - Primary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Wolf-Ulrich Knoben – ISPCP – Primary <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Apology:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Mary Wong – Non-Commercial Users Constituency - Primary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Jonathan Robinson – Registry Stakeholder Group - Alternate<br>James Bladel - Registrar Stakeholder Group (RrSG) - Alternate<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Angie Graves - Commercial and Business Users Constituency – Alternate<br><br><b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Staff:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Julie Hedlund<br>Marika Konings<br>Berry Cobb<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Glen de Saint Géry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Please let me know if your name has been left off the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Let me know if you have any questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Glen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>GNSO Secretariat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"><span lang=EN-US style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>gnso-secs@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>AC Chat transcript 30 August 2012<span style='color:#1F497D'><br><br></span></span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Julie Hedlund: Hi Marika I just <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Julie Hedlund: joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Marika Konings: Hi Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Marika Konings: Analysis is up now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>avri: The opinion that says Avri can be marked as NCSG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J. Scott Evans: I think there has already been an issue, the problem was there was no formal process for considering the issue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: @ Avri: ltd to one to ensure no stonewalling<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: BC supports status quo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: Agree with argument; but safeguard the principle<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: My point Avri!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J. Scott Evans: If we leave it as is, then I think we need be very specific in our reasoning by pointing out that we believe that the Chair has the discretion to deny. That needs to be clearly ennunciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: What happens if the chair is biased for or against?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: bias by way of affiliation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J. Scott Evans: Good question Anne.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J. Scott Evans: I thought Stephane clearly stated that he could NOT deny request because he had no process for doing so. Hence, theis issue coming to the SCIU<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>avri: Except in PDPD's where it has been enshrined, it is just a priactice and practice belongs to the chair.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J. Scott Evans: SCI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>avri: PDP's not PDPD's<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Anne Aikman-Scalese: Chair cannot choose without authority to do so in governance documents, I think.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Anne Aikman-Scalese: Principle should not depend on which particular individual holds the position of Chair of the GNSO. Authority to override a deferral should be clear if it is needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J. Scott Evans: If you want to keep it as is, I think that we need to clearly state that the Chair has discretion to deny or to put to a vote. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ray Fassett - RySG: agree with J Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J. Scott Evans: In other words, clearly state that the request does not HAVE to be automatically granted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: @ J +1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Anne Aikman-Scalese: Agree with J. Scott and Ray but we should cite to the basis for this opinion by SCI.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: 8 days for larger institutions that make up the BC or ISCP need more than 8 days Avri<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ray Fassett - RySG: Anne-perhaps can cite the rationale as the checks balances that exist in procedures for the chair to always act neutral<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Anne Aikman-Scalese: Yes, but overriding a deferral may not be seen as "neutral".<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ray Fassett - RySG: in that situation, there are procedures for others to bring that complaint, I believe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Anne Aikman-Scalese: Yes, but do we really want to put the GNSO Chair in that position in relation to complaints?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>avri: i disagree with coffying what the chair can and can't do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>avri: coffying - codifying.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: @ Anne: we are only giving recommendations back to council at teh SCI <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: SCI recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>avri: each chair gets to interpret on her own.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: Let the Chair's authority be challenged by test of the principle<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>avri: and if she is deemd to have done wrong by the g-council, she can be removed or not re-elected. Otherwise we will need 10 volumes of g-council rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ray Fassett - RySG: agree with ron and avri<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: @ J - fully agree with your summation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>avri: The working on this goes too far for me. I do not think we should be offereing specific alternatives.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ray Fassett - RySG: agree with j scott<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ron A: The reasoning doesn't havet to go to far into the weeds<br>Anne Aikman-Scalese: J. Scott, Are you saying the deferral practice itself is discretionary with the Chair so the denial of a deferral is also discretionary?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>J. Scott Evans: Anne: Yes, picking up on Avri's point, the deferral practice is courtesy that has historically been extended at the discretion of the Chair.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Glen de Saint Géry <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>GNSO Secretariat <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>gnso.secretariat@gnso.icann.org <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>http://gnso.icann.org<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>