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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>Von:</B> Marika Konings
[mailto:marika.konings@icann.org] <BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Donnerstag, 6.
September 2012 14:34<BR><B>An:</B> Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re:
SCI<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Wolf,</DIV>
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<DIV>Please see the transcript below.</DIV>
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<DIV>With best regards,</DIV>
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<DIV>Marika</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium">Julie Hedlund:Hi Marika
I just</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Julie
Hedlund:joined</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Marika
Konings:Hi Julie</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Marika
Konings:Analysis is up now.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> avri:The
opinion that says Avri can be marked as NCSG.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:I think there has already been an issue, the problem was there was no
formal process for considering the issue</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:@
Avri: ltd to one to ensure no stonewalling</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:BC
supports status quo</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:Agree
with argument; but safeguard the principle</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:My
point Avri!</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:If we leave it as is, then I think we need be very specific in our
reasoning by pointing out that we believe that the Chair has the
discretion to deny. That needs to be clearly ennunciated.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:What
happens if the chair is biased for or against?</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:bias
by way of affiliation</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:Good question Anne.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:I thought Stephane clearly stated that he could NOT deny request because
he had no process for doing so. Hence, theis issue coming to
the SCIU</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> avri:Except
in PDPD's where it has been enshrined, it is just a priactice and practice
belongs to the chair.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:SCI</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> avri:PDP's
not PDPD's</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Anne
Aikman-Scalese:Chair cannot choose without authority to do so in governance
documents, I think.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Anne
Aikman-Scalese:Principle should not depend on which particular individual
holds the position of Chair of the GNSO. Authority to override a
deferral should be clear if it is needed.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:If you want to keep it as is, I think that we need to clearly state that
the Chair has discretion to deny or to put to a vote. </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ray Fassett
- RySG:agree with J Scott</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:In other words, clearly state that the request does not HAVE to be
automatically granted</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:@ J
+1</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Anne
Aikman-Scalese:Agree with J. Scott and Ray but we should cite to the basis for
this opinion by SCI.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:8 days
for larger institutions that make up the BC or ISCP need more than 8 days
Avri</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ray Fassett
- RySG:Anne-perhaps can cite the rationale as the checks balances that exist
in procedures for the chair to always act neutral</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Anne
Aikman-Scalese:Yes, but overriding a deferral may not be seen as
"neutral".</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ray Fassett
- RySG:in that situation, there are procedures for others to bring that
complaint, I believe</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Anne
Aikman-Scalese:Yes, but do we really want to put the GNSO Chair in that
position in relation to complaints?</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> avri:i
disagree with coffying what the chair can and can't do.</DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> avri:coffying -
codifying.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:@
Anne: we are only giving recommendations back to council at teh SCI</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:SCI
recommendations</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> avri:each
chair gets to interpret on her own.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:Let
the Chair's authority be challenged by test of the principle</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> avri:and if
she is deemd to have done wrong by the g-council, she can be removed or not
re-elected. Otherwise we will need 10 volumes of g-council
rules.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ray Fassett
- RySG:agree with ron and avri</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:@ J -
fully agree with your summation</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> avri:The
working on this goes too far for me. I do not think we should be
offereing specific alternatives.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ray Fassett
- RySG:agree with j scott</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:The
reasoning doesn't havet to go to far into the weeds</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Anne
Aikman-Scalese:J. Scott, Are you saying the deferral practice
itself is discretionary with the Chair so the denial of a deferral is also
discretionary?</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:Anne: Yes, picking up on Avri's point, the deferral practice
is courtesy that has historically been extended at the discretion of the
Chair.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:And that there shoujld be no assumption that that disrection must be
exercised in all cases.</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ron A:Good
bye all</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> J. Scott
Evans:or extended I should say</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Ray Fassett
- RySG:thanks Wolf</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"> Wolf
Knoben:Thanks all</DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </SPAN>"<A
href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</A>" <<A
href="mailto:KnobenW@telekom.de">KnobenW@telekom.de</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </SPAN>Thursday 6 September 2012
05:53<BR><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </SPAN>Marika Konings <<A
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </SPAN>SCI<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Marika,</DIV>
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<DIV>Could you please provide us with the chat of the last SCI meeting?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Courier New,monospace">Thanks and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New,monospace">Best regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New,monospace">Wolf-Ulrich Knoben </FONT></DIV>
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