<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>All, in relation to this discussion, it may be worth sharing with you the following message from Rob Hoggarth that was sent to the GNSO Council mailing list on 26 October following a relatively similar discussion:</div><div><br></div><div>====================</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>Dear Jonathan, Maria and Wolf-Ulrich;<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p><i> </i></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>In view of your recent dialogue about Councilor learning curves and induction materials, I wanted to advise the Council that as part of "Phase 2" of the updated GNSO.icann.org website, staff is currently developing introductory materials to use as a standing resource for councilors and community members on a variety of introductory "basic" topics such as GNSO Working Group formation and operations, PDP procedures, communications tools and guides for new councilors and working group chairs.<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p><i> </i></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>We are working to leverage existing materials including some that Glen currently gathers and shares when new Councilors come on board.<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p><i> </i></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Cambria; "><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The materials will ultimately find a home on the "Basics" tab of the GNSO we</span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Calibri" size="3">b site - <a href="http://newgnso.icann.org/en/basics/getting-started" style="color: purple; ">http://newgnso.icann.org/en/basics/getting-started</a>. We will alert you all as those materials are added to the site.</font></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p><b><i> </i></b></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>On the horizon we envision developing other materials for the page on particular topics like a "DNS 101 Guide". We would welcome suggestions about additional topics and subjects that any of you think might be of value as a future addition to the Basics Tab as either a refresher or introduction to a particular matter for interested community members.<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p><i> </i></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>In the meantime, I hope the currently structured Active Projects/Groups/Teams page (<a href="http://newgnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm" style="color: purple; ">http://newgnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active-groups.htm</a>) and the document linked to the Pending Projects List page (<a href="http://newgnso.icann.org/en/ongoing-work/pending-projects-list.htm" style="color: purple; ">http://newgnso.icann.org/en/ongoing-work/pending-projects-list.htm</a> ) of the GNSO web site will provide some useful status, background and context information regarding the full range of current GNSO Council matters, issues and topics of interest.<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p><i> </i></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p><i> </i></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>Rob Hoggarth</i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>====================</i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i><br></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I'm sure Rob would also gladly consider any suggestions the SCI may have in addition to the introductory topics already outlined in his email.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">With best regards,</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Marika</p></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Ron Andruff <<a href="mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com">randruff@rnapartners.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Organization: </span> RNA Partners<br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday 15 January 2013 23:23<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> "<a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task - Councilor Training<br></div><div><br></div><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]>
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11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I think that the concept of providing a new councilor primer is an excellent idea and one that we should give more thought to. Indeed,
if all new Councilors are provided with a briefing on their mandate, documents that they should review, etc. that would serve the ICANN community and its various constituencies well. Moreover, a neutral presentation of roles/responsibilities and what is expected
of them, may go further to assist new councilors in learning how to find consensus. Something we can all agree has been lacking in the trench warfare that we have seen in Council over the years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Thanks to Jennifer and Anne for bringing this idea forward. Let’s explore this further.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue"><a href="http://www.rnapartners.com">RNA Partners, Inc.</a></span></font><span class="MsoHyperlink"><u><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"><o:p></o:p></span></font></u></span></p></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> <a href="mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:
bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Aikman-Scalese, Anne<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:41 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'Alain Berranger'; Jen Wolfe<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Neuman, Jeff; <a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a>; <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Hi all,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I find myself a bit more concerned about the possible effect of such a rule on quashing motions for reconsideration. There may even
be changed circumstances that might justify reconsideration and one would not want to make a rule that no motion that has previously been voted upon can be brought before the Council again.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">I also tend to wonder whether a Councilor, especially a newer Councilor, laboring under a misimpression about the conflict of interest
rules, might not, in itself, constitute a changed circumstance. Maybe I am less critical because the Councilor in question is an IPC Councilor and also a very good lawyer. If he was confused about this, I consider it possible that anyone might be. So I
tend to disagree that if the Councilor in question had been NCSG, that there would have been a uproar about the change in vote (or at least there shouldn't be in an ideal ICANN world).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">There is an aspect of this which for me involves "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." So it seems that if we say this
is okay the way it happened, the same leniency is given going forward to any Councilor who labors under a misunderstanding of Council rules, subject perhaps to the discretion of the Chair in bringing the motion again.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">The harder line would be: "Dear Councilor: You are responsible for knowing all the rules before you vote and no misunderstanding on
your part as to any issue can serve as a basis for resubmission of a motion." If we go this route, new Councilors should definitely be trained accordingly. Do new GNSO Councilors receive training and orientation as is the norm for most Boards?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:
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12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> <a href="mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:
bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Alain Berranger<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 15, 2013 11:26 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Jen Wolfe<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Neuman, Jeff; <a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a>; <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Thanks Jennifer,
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Common sense speaks again! The black belt argument will often close a discussion, though!!!! ;-) Many involved with ICANN would likely benefit from six sigma training...
including myself!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Let's see what the Standing Committee on GNSO Improvements Implementation I discussions will lead too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Cheers, Alain<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Jen Wolfe <<a href="mailto:jwolfe@wolfedomain.com" target="_blank">jwolfe@wolfedomain.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a name="13c2a0b6f12b65d3__MailEndCompose"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Hi everyone,</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">I hope your new year is off to a great start. I know I am new
to the council and this committee so forgive me if I am misunderstanding our role, but what confused me about this particular issue was that all of the councilors had the opportunity for discussion, to ask questions and for consensus. A vote was taken and
then a councilor asked further clarifying questions and then wanted to change his vote. From a strictly process standpoint, I am not clear on why a new vote should be allowed once the time for discussion and clarifying questions close. In any other parliamentary
procedure, legislative body or corporate governance on boards, once a vote is taken, that’s it, even if someone misunderstood something procedurally or substantively.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">I fully understand the need for consensus, but once discussion closes
and a vote is taken, from a process and procedural standpoint, it’s a slippery slope to start allowing votes to be re-opened because one person asked a clarifying question after the vote was taken. It not only takes up valuable time of the council in discussing
new issues, but could be used inappropriately in the future if this were permissible.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">I look forward to participating in this committee. I have a black
belt in six sigma process improvement and pride myself on finding ways to function more efficiently and hope I can provide meaningful contributions to this committee.
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">Have a great weekend!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:13.5pt"><b><font size="1" color="#0e325f" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#0E325F;text-transform:uppercase;
font-weight:bold">jennifer c. WOLFE, esq., apr, SSBB</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
line-height:13.5pt"><font size="1" color="#0e325f" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#0E325F;text-transform:uppercase">managing director, wolfe domain, a digital brand strategy adivsory firm</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">IAM 300 - TOp 300 global ip strategists 2011 & 2012</span></font></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><font size="1" color="#3b6ca5" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:
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will you do when your CEO asks why you <b><span style="font-weight:bold">didn’t apply
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font-family:Arial;font-style:italic">Domain
Names Rewired</span></font></i></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><a href="mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Neuman, Jeff<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:05 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Alain Berranger; <a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" target="_blank">
Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">
avri@acm.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt"><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">All,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">I am still missing the rationale as to why the NCSG representatives
believe this rule should be in place for a bottom-up consensus driven organization. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">Please help me understand.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><font size="1" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold">Jeffrey J. Neuman</span></font></b><b><font size="1" color="#3366ff" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:#3366FF;font-weight:bold"><br></span></font></b><b><font size="1" color="#068658" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#068658;font-weight:bold">Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
Alain Berranger [<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>]
<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:01 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" target="_blank">
Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">
avri@acm.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com" target="_blank">
jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>; Neuman, Jeff<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I agree fully with Mary's arguments.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Best, Alain<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 12:16 PM, <<a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" target="_blank">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Thanks, Jonathan and Jeff. As I won't be on the SCI call this week, my view, FWIW, is that a motion
that is properly introduced, seconded and voted on should NOT be re-introduced (whether in its original form or tweaked) in the absence of clear evidence indicating fraud, duress or other similar circumstance surrounding the original introduction/seconding/vote
in relation to the motion. In this regard, Councilors' ignorance of the rules (e.g. effect of an abstention), and lack of instruction/direction from a Councilor's particular constituency/SG, should NOT count as the type of circumstance that ought to permit
a reintroduction or re-vote on what in substance is the same motion.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><br><br>
Cheers<br>
Mary</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Mary W S Wong<br>
Professor of Law<br>
Director, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">Franklin</st1:placename> <st1:placename w:st="on">
Pierce</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">Center</st1:placetype></st1:place> for IP<br>
Chair, Graduate IP Programs<br>
UNIVERSITY OF <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">NEW HAMPSHIRE</st1:placename><st1:placetype w:st="on">SCHOOL</st1:placetype></st1:place> OF LAW<br><st1:street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Two White Street</st1:address></st1:street><br><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Concord</st1:city>, <st1:state w:st="on">
NH</st1:state> <st1:postalcode w:st="on">03301</st1:postalcode></st1:place><br><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">USA</st1:place></st1:country-region><br>
Email: <a href="mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu" target="_blank">mary.wong@law.unh.edu</a><br>
Phone: <a href="tel:1-603-513-5143" target="_blank">1-603-513-5143</a><br>
Webpage: <a href="http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php</a><br>
Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network (SSRN) at: <a href="http://ssrn.com/author=437584" target="_blank">
http://ssrn.com/author=437584</a> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">>>> "Jonathan Robinson" 01/10/13 1:12 AM >>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">All,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">My understanding of the role of the SCI is to determine how improvements
may be made for the future.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">When the motion was re-submitted to the December meeting, I do not
believe that there was any procedure to guide the Council on the re-introduction of a motion that had recently been voted on.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">This specific issue has highlighted that we may need something to
guide us on this in future. I do not believe that the SCI?s hands are tied at all.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">We have one useful example which raised concerns and now need to
look at as general solution as possible for the future in order to cover both the example that raised the concern and other cases which may occur in future.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D">Jonathan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b><a href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu" target="_blank">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> 09 January 2013 16:58<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">
avri@acm.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com" target="_blank">
jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>; <a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us" target="_blank">
Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">I support Avri's points generally, and would add the following in this specific instance:<br><br>
- the initial vote was properly proposed, seconded and voted on.<br><br>
- just as ignorance of the law is no excuse, the fact that Councilors were not aware of the implications of an abstention (when, frankly, they should be as it's in the rules plain as day) should not permit a re-introduction of something that was properly introduced
and voted on.<br><br>
- In this case I don't know if the specific constituency impacted had given instructions to its Councilors as to how to vote. Even if they did not, the fact remains that these are very clearly set out in the GNSO rules, and if a constituency or Councilors did
not know or did not make the time to discuss/decide, that is a very poor excuse for reintroducing a motion (again, one properly introduced, seconded and voted on).<br><br>
- In an ideal world, the Council should have suspended the matter and referred the issue of a re-introduction/reconsideration of such a motion (without necessarily specifying the actual motion or context) to the SCI before re-opening the vote. As it is, it
seems as though the SCI's hands are somewhat tied since the second motion did get voted on and went through - the mind boggles at an SCI determination that this re-introduction and vote was improper or invalid, especially in the currrent somewhat sensitive
context within which ICANN is operating.<br><br>
Cheers<br>
Mary</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Mary W S Wong<br>
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>>> Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> 01/09/13 2:01 PM >>><br><br>
Another thought experiment.<br><br>
There was a recent g-council vote where, in a rare event, the NCSG Policy Council had decided on an unanimous vote on an issue. But during the vote, some voters got confused and voted against.<br><br>
Would it have been appropriate for us to demand a re-vote? <br><br>
Had one of us been g-council Chair, would it have ben right for us to just reschedule the vote without even getting the g-councl to discuss and perhaps even vote on the notion of reconsidering the vote?<br><br>
A general question, anytime from now on, when a SG or Constituency beleive that its voters went against the will of the SG/C should they be able to have a vote rescheduled at the next meeting?<br><br>
avri<br><br><br>
On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:54, Avri Doria wrote:<br><br>
> <br>
> Even Robert's Rules of Order has rules on when and how a motion can be reconsidered or rescinded (10.5). The Board of ICANN has rules on reconsideration in the ByLaws.
<br>
> <br>
> One specific requirement for reconsideration under Roberts is that one of those on the prevailing side ask for the reconsideration. In this case it was the Chair who had been on the losing side.<br>
> <br>
> We need rules on when it is done and on how it should be done.<br>
> <br>
> avri<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 9 Jan 2013, at 00:30, J. Scott Evans wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> I tend to agree,<br>
>> <br>
>> From: Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrlaw.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrlaw.com</a>>;
<br>
>> To: 'Avri Doria' <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>; Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us" target="_blank">Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a> <<a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>>;
<br>
>> Cc: Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com" target="_blank">jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>>;
<br>
>> Subject: RE: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task <br>
>> Sent: Wed, Jan 9, 2013 5:27:47 AM <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Hi all,<br>
>> What I am struggling with procedurally is a basic "Robert's Rules" type inquiry. Namely: - I don't know of anything procedurally that would permit a motion that is moved and seconded from being voted on, no matter how obnoxious anyone finds the motion to
be. I guess this is what we are going to discuss tomorrow.<br>
> <br>
> the issue was voting again after it had already been defeated.<br>
> <br>
>> <br>
>> I would like to ask whether there are specific provisions in the GNSO Operating Procedures regarding introduction of motions that staff can provide prior to our call.<br>
> <br>
> It is all in the g-counci Procedures.<br>
> And is says nothing on reconsideration or rescinding of decisions already made.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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>> Thank you<br>
>> Anne<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese<br>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 10:16 PM<br>
>> To: Jeff Neuman; <a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">
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>> Cc: Jonathan Robinson<br>
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> Hi,<br>
>> <br>
>> I guess I do not support that.<br>
>> <br>
>> I think a motion should only be voted on once. and that to bring it back, something must have changed or a reasonable amount of time should have past.<br>
>> <br>
>> And no we use votes to count the up to the thresholds defined for motions to pass. We may euphemistically use the word consensus, but it has NOTHING to do with consensus. If anything the consensus is in the work of the WGs and not in the votes of the management
team, i.e. g-council.<br>
>> <br>
>> I believe that what happened in that meeting is something that should never be allowed to happen again. And if we need rules to keep the chair from doing things like that, something I admit never entered my imagination of things that could go wrong, then
we need new rules.<br>
>> <br>
>> A thought experiment: Just imagine the uproar in the council if an NCUC based g-council chair had dared to some like this when the vote did not go her way.<br>
>> <br>
>> avri<br>
>> <br>
>> On 8 Jan 2013, at 21:24, Neuman, Jeff wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> Avri,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Yes, I know we use voting to measure consensus. But in the end, the spirit is to achieve consensus on policy items. The fact that it took two votes to do so should not prejudice the results. Again, if there was some evidence of wrong doing, fraud etc.,
that would be one thing. But that did not happen.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> I support the ability to re-vote on any item unless there is evidence of misconduct, harassment, fraud, etc.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Best regards,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Jeffrey J. Neuman<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Sent from iPad. Please excuse any typos.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: Avri Doria [<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com" target="_blank">mailto:avri@ella.com</a>]<br>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 08:29 PM Eastern Standard Time<br>
>>> To: Neuman, Jeff<br>
>>> Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>; Jonathan Robinson<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Sorry, that may be what the reviews intended at one point, but that is not what the current regulations say. Due to the agreement between the SG at the time, a very strict voting regime was adopted and approved by the Board for the g-council. G-council
has such a complicated voting structure that the Secretariat has a special tool to help them figure out when a motion has passed or not.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> To now claim that g-council is a consensus body does not match the reality of the situation.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> avri<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <br>
>>> On 8 Jan 2013, at 19:37, Neuman, Jeff wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I will restate what I said on the Council call. We are not supposed to as a group focus on voting. We are supposed to come to "consensus" on items. If there is a "consensus" at any time of the Council on any given policy (provided that the processes were
followed by the working group making the recommendation), then that is what should govern. The last evolution and reform of icann report by the London School of Economics as supported by the Board Governance Committee emphasized this over and over again. We
are not supposed to be a voting body, so lets focus back on consensus.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> All of the comments I have seen from those that did not like the result in the last council meeting have not addressed the fact that ultimately there was a "consensus" on the issue. The fact that there had to be a second measurement of consensus on the
item to me seems irrelevant and unnecessarily procedural. There was no abuse of process. There was no abuse within the working group making the recommendation. There is not evidence that there were improper conflicts, etc. Absent any showing of abuse, harassment,
fraud, illegality, or willful negligence, I believe having a second measurement of consensus is not an issue.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Best regards,<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Jeffrey J. Neuman<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Sent from iPad. Please excuse any typos.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>> From: Avri Doria [<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com" target="_blank">mailto:avri@ella.com</a>]<br>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 05:31 PM Eastern Standard Time<br>
>>>> To: <a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a><br>
>>>> Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Neuman, Jeff<br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] New task<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> On 8 Jan 2013, at 17:16, Ron Andruff wrote:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>> Assuming that the ultimate desired outcome was for Councillors to vote as they were permitted to (and possibly directed to by their group), two remedies were possible.<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> I take real issue with this in that this can only be the case when it is accordance with adherence to all rules of neutrality, transparency and accountability.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Once a vote is given, it is taken and clues from anyone on how to make the vote work out better are not, in my view or the view of my stakeholder group, legitimate. It is not for voter to decide that they should be able vote they way they meant to when
they voted another way. If it was, those poor old jewish voters on finding out the ballot in
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<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>. and yes, we may wish with all our hearts that it had been otherwise, but it wasn't. Voting does not work according to wishes unsaid, it works in terms of the vote given.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> avri<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> <br>
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