<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">there's at least one important difference between the SCI and the SIC. the SIC is a sub-committee *of the Board* (so only Board members are eligible to serve) where we are not a sub-committee of the Council and membership eligibility is broader. <div><br></div><div>that is one of the things that confuses me about the "broad" definition of our charter (ongoing, addressing all manner of issues, similar to SIC). it seems to me that if that is the direction our charter is going, then we might want to review (and make more rigorous) our membership criteria as well. </div><div><br></div><div>mikey</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 5, 2013, at 12:55 PM, WUKnoben <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>I’m fully agreeing that this discussion is needed. We might also compare
the SCI status with the SIC (on board level)<br>Best
regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="mike@haven2.com" href="mailto:mike@haven2.com">Mike O'Connor</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 05, 2013 2:34 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">WUKnoben</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="julie.hedlund@icann.org" href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">Julie Hedlund</a> ; <a title="gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Draft Note to GNSO
Council Chair re SCI Charter</div></div></div>
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<div>On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:16 PM, WUKnoben <<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>>
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<div>I don’t think resubmitting a motion is outside the scope of the present
charter because submission and handling of motions used to be part of the
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<div> </div>i think there's an underlying question of intent. it's
true that almost everything the GNSO does was touched by those committees that
sprang out of the Board review. but that's the equivalent of saying that
everything is touched by the Constitution of a country. i think this goes
back to the framers of our charter. what did they intend and why?</div>
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<div>a broad interpretation of the charter is:</div>
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<div>- the SCI has a broad mandate to review the operation of the GNSO</div>
<div>- it lives forever (it is an ongoing function)</div>
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<div>a narrow interpretation is:</div>
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<div>- the SCI reviews issues arising *directly* from the work of the prior
committees, and is the last committee in that series</div>
<div>- it ends, after completing those reviews (it is a project)</div>
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<div>i think a lot of things get easier once that basic clarification is
made. decisions about the skills of the group, tasks it takes on, expected
deliverables, etc. all get a lot clearer. perhaps we could frame the
question the the Council this way?</div>
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<div>In addition the two bullet points – at least from my point of view – do
not limit the SCI existence because of the periodic iteration.</div>
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<div>Nevertheless the general question should be discussed. I wonder whether
we could achieve in Durban a general “go ahead thinking of a broader SCI
scope” by the council and after a while coming back to the council with
concrete suggestions. I doubt that we can expect more guidance.</div>
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<div>See my comments below</div>
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regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich <br><br></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="julie.hedlund@icann.org" href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">Julie Hedlund</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:15 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org" href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] FOR REVIEW: Draft Note to GNSO
Council Chair re SCI Charter</div></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">Dear SCI
members,</div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><font size="3" face="Calibri,sans-serif">As
discussed in our meeting yesterday, below for your review is a draft message
alerting Jonathan that the SCI would like to discuss the issues </font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">concerning</font><font size="3" face="Calibri,sans-serif">
the SCI Charter with the Council during the working session in
Durban.</font></div></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><b><i><font size="3" face="Calibri,sans-serif">Please send any comments by </font><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Friday</font></i></b><font size="3" face="Calibri,sans-serif"><b><i>, 05 July.</i></b><o:p></o:p></font></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">Julie<o:p></o:p></span></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">Julie Hedlund,
Policy Director<o:p></o:p></span></div></div>
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Draft Message to Jonathan
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">Dear
Jonathan,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">As you know, the
Standing Committee on Improvements Implementation (SCI) will provide an update
on its work to the GNSO Council in Durban on 13 July. One of issues the
SCI is considering is an update of its Charter, as we have reported
previously. This began as an effort to update the Charter to include
procedures to elect the SCI Chair and Vice Chair, but recently the SCI also
has considered whether other updates are necessary. After discussing
possible updates the SCI members realized that they need guidance from the
GNSO Council as to whether the SCI's work should be limited to a review of the
procedures developed in the GNSO Implementations process, or whether the GNSO
Council intends for the SCI to address other procedural issues not related to
the improvements process. <strong>WUK:</strong> <strike>One such example
might be the re-submission of a motion, which is an issue the Council asked
the SCI to address and for which the SCI currently is considering revised
procedures.<o:p></o:p></strike></span></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">The current
Charter states:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-FAMILY: calibri"><p style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">"The GNSO Standing
Committee on Improvement Implementation (SCI) will be responsible for
reviewing and assessing the effective functioning of recommendations provided
by the Operational Steering Committee (OSC), Policy Process Steering Committee
(PPSC) and Policy Development Process Work Team (PDP-WT) and approved by the
GNSO Council:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">On request for
those recommendations that have been identified to present immediate
problems<o:p></o:p></span>
</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">On a periodic
timescale for all recommendations in order to identify possible issues
and/or improvements (subject to a clear definition by the SCI on which
recommendations should be reviewed)"<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif"><br></span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">The SCI seeks
guidance from the Council on what is its intent with respect to the duration
of the SCI work. <strong>WUK: </strong><strike>Should the SCI cease to exist
when it has completed the second bullet above from the Charter?</strike>
<strike>Or</strike> Should the SCI continue indefinitely to consider
procedural questions as raised <strong>WUK:</strong><strike> the</strike>
<strong>by </strong>the GNSO Council or a group Chartered by the Council?
<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: calibri, sans-serif">It seems that
these fundamental questions need to be addressed before the SCI can consider
revisions to the Charter. The SCI members look forward to discussing
these questions with the Council in Durban.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div>
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regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div>
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