I agree that this is not initially an SCI issue, and certainly not our issue to bring to the Council.<div><br></div><div><span></span>Which in no way diminishes the issue, or even my potential concerns about the issue. SCI is just not the first stop on the path.<br><br>On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi,<br>
<br>
Perhaps I could report on it to the G-council.<br>
<br>
But that does not strike me as the correct approach, unless I am
reporting it as something we did not take on and kicked back. I
think that if the CSG/BC wants this issue to be dealt with by the
G-Council, it makes the most sense for them to make their case to
the G-Council themselves.<br>
<br>
As a member of the group it is my belief that the only correct
action for the SCI is to send it back to the BC with an indication
that the proper approach to the SCI is through the GNSO Council.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<div>On 27-Feb-15 10:10, Mary Wong wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>Thanks for the clarifications and suggestions, Avri and
Greg! The GNSO Review topic is one that I believe will be on
the agenda for either the next or following Council meeting.
As such, perhaps Avri (as a Council member and Council
liaison to the SCI) with staff support (as needed) can bring
up this issue at the appropriate time? Speaking as a
staffer, I feel I obliged to state that Greg’s latter point
– logical though it is – seems to raise broader questions
concerning the appropriate scope of SG/C self-governance
that go beyond the SCI’s remit and that will most likely
require consideration either as part of the GNSO Review or
Council determination, or both.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Mary</div>
<div>
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<div><span>From: </span> Greg Shatan <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc@gmail.com');" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span>Date: </span> Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 19:53<br>
<span>To: </span> Avri Doria <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>><br>
<span>Cc: </span> "<<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org');" target="_blank">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>>"
<<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org');" target="_blank">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>><br>
<span>Subject: </span> Re: [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] Re:
Request to the SCI - Vote switching<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">This could be a good issue for the GNSO
review. However, I think an amendment to Section 6.2.6
of the GNSO Operating Procedures (which cover SG/C
voting issues) would be a more elegant and consistent
solution, rather than having each SG/C amend its own
charter with its own rules regarding "carpet-baggers,"
The inconsistent results that could arise from that can
only be imagined.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Greg</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 6:43
AM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote">
<div>Hi,<br>
<br>
Thanks Mary for your reply. I want to add one
thing, any such consideration more likely belongs
in the GNSO Review as that is the group looking at
how we organize our corner of bottom-up
multistakeolder activities. Stakeholder group
charters are approved by the Board as 'negotiated'
between the SIC and the SGs. Constituencies are
approved in a process defined by the SIC
complemented by conditions defined in the SG
charter. I do agree that there is complexity in
dealing with the issue of a large corporation with
many divisions, subsidiaries, employees, goals and
business lines having only a vote in only one SG.
Conveniently this may be the right time to get
such considerations put on the table for the GNSO
Review.<br>
<br>
On a technicality. we have specific rules about
who has standing to present cases to the SCI.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">For items that are
submitted for review 'on request', the SCI
expects to receive detailed input from the group
affected by the process/operational change
concerned. Either the GNSO Council or a group
chartered by the GNSO Council can make such
requests. </blockquote>
<br>
The first line refers, obliquely to the template
Anne refered to and the staff is working on. Mary,
thanks for the update.<br>
<br>
The second line refers to the issue of standing to
submit such a template to the SCI. We actually
had the specific discussion on whether SG and C
had standing. As the SCI charter indicates we
decided that they did not and they needed to bring
issues in through the GNSO Council. I am sure we
would all agree that the SG/C are not chartered by
the GNSO Council.<br>
<br>
thanks<span><br>
avri</span>
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div>On 27-Feb-15 07:05, Mary Wong wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Hello Anne and everyone,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As an integral part of the bottom up
consensus model, issues of voting and
membership in each Stakeholder Group and
Constituency are determined by their
respective charters. Each SG or C
develops and approves its own charter
(as appropriate) and the Bylaws merely
provide that the Board can review a
group’s charter periodically. It
therefore follows that the GNSO
Operating Procedures do not provide for
the review, amendment or approval of an
SG’s or C’s charter by a body other than
that particular SG/C. The GNSO Operating
Procedures do, however, prescribe
certain common standards to be followed
by each SG and C in its charter and
operations, such as transparency,
accountability, inclusiveness and
representation. Accordingly, the
Operating Procedures also specify that a
group member’s voting rights must be
spelled out clearly in the group’s
charter, and that a legal or natural
person may not be a voting member of
more than one group. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In line with the above-noted
principles, the issue that Martin raises
would seem to be something that the SGs
and Cs will need to work out for and
amongst themselves. As such, we suggest
that the BC leadership consider
initiating a discussion with other SG/C
leaders on this point, to see if this is
a matter that warrants either a revision
of or addition to each group’s charter.
In addition, the BC itself may
internally wish to propose such an
update to its own charter, which it is
of course at liberty to do as part of
its ongoing self-governance (regardless
of whether other SG/Cs wish to revise
their own charters in the same way).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As to your second question, staff has
begun working on the action items noted
in Singapore,, as we offered to do, and
we will shortly be providing Avri with
the basic template that she can use to
present the topic to the GNSO Council
for its consideration. At the moment, I
do not know if it will be on the
Council’s agenda for its March meeting,
as that will depend on the Council
chairs’ determination as to urgency and
deadlines of other projects and topics.
I expect that if it does not make it on
to the agenda for the March meeting, it
will likely be on the list for inclusion
at the next one.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I hope this helps!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Mary</div>
<div>
<div><br>
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<span>
<div><span>From: </span><Aikman-Scalese>,
Anne <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','AAikman@lrrlaw.com');" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrlaw.com</a>><br>
<span>Date: </span>Thursday, February
26, 2015 at 15:42<br>
<span>To: </span>"<<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org');" target="_blank">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>>"
<<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org');" target="_blank">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>><br>
<span>Cc: </span>Mary Wong <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mary.wong@icann.org');" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>>,
Julie Hedlund <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','julie.hedlund@icann.org');" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>>,
'Avri Doria' <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','avri@acm.org');" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>><br>
<span>Subject: </span>FW: Request to
the SCI - Vote switching<br>
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<blockquote>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear
SCI members,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Below
is a written request to SCI
from a member of the Business
Constituency Charter Review
Team. I am wondering whether
this request must come
officially from the BC in
order to be considered by
SCI.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Separately,
in the Singapore meeting,
after delivery of the SCI
report, Avri volunteered to
draft a template for GNSO
requests to SCI and to prepare
drafts for Council of the two
“immediate issue” requests
mentioned in the SCI report,
that is (1) friendly
amendments to motions and (2)
whether or not resubmitted
motions are eligible for
waiver of the ten day advance
notice for motions. I
understand that Avri will be
reviewing draft language for
these requests with the
Council. It may make sense
for us to see a draft and
provide some comments, but
that is up to Avri.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So the
questions for staff are:</span></p>
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<p><span><span>1.<span> </span></span></span><span>Do
I need to tell Martin Sutton
(see note below) that the
request must be submitted by
the BC itself?</span></p>
<p><span><span>2.<span> </span></span></span><span>Where
do the “friendly amendment”
and “applicability of 10 day
waiver to resubmitted motions”
action items from the GNSO
Council meeting in Singapore
stand at this time?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank
you,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Anne</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday,
February 26, 2015 12:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aikman-Scalese,
Anne<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Request to the
SCI - Vote switching</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear
Anne,</span><br>
<br>
<span>I am a member of the
Business Constituency and
currently working with the BC
Charter Review team. During
our recent discussions, we
identified a potential issue
that may affect GNSO
Stakeholder Groups (SGs) and
Constituencies (Cs) which may
warrant the attention of the
SCI, which I understand you
currently chair.</span><br>
<br>
<span>With the introduction of
New gTLDs, an increasing
number of organisations now
meet the criteria of
membership within multiple
groups, even across the
contracting and
non-contracting parties
divide. The point in question
is in relation to the ability
for a member of multiple SGs
and Cs to regularly switch
their voting rights between
these groups in a tactical
manner, so as to apply votes
for elections/decisions where
they may have concerns with
lack of representation within
a specific group, at a
specific time. Whilst they may
only vote in one of the SGs or
Cs, there is no restriction as
to when and how frequently
they may switch their voting
power between these groups.
This could be too flexible and
potentially allow the system
to be exploited.</span><br>
<br>
<span>I am pleased to say that
there is no evidence that this
is occurring but as new
members continue to increase,
it seems sensible to consider
preventative measures be put
in place to protect the GNSO
for the future. As an
example, a multi-member
organisation could be obliged
to commit holding it's voting
rights within one group for a
minimum term of 12 months
before switching to another
group. Of course, this would
need to be uniform across all
of the SGs and Cs, hence, we
think it is appropriate to
raise this issue with the SCI
for consideration.</span><br>
<br>
<span>I would be happy to
discuss further and interested
to know if you feel this would
be appropriate and worthwhile
for the SCI to assess.</span><br>
<br>
<span>Kind regards,<br>
</span><br>
<span>Martin</span> <br>
<b><span>Martin C SUTTON </span></b><br>
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& Intelligence <br>
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