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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi everyone. I had understood that Amr and staff would be working together to put out a general e-mail asking whether there is a generally favorable view toward
the issue of giving resubmitted motions the benefit of the 10 day waiver rule and that this general e-mail might include at least some old language drafted previously by Mary to spark our discussion for this Saturday morning’s meeting at 7:45 am in the GNSO
Council meeting room.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Could staff please advise as to status of this effort?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Terri Agnew<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 04, 2015 6:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] MP3 recording of the SCI meeting - 04 June 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Please find the MP3 </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">recording
of the <span class="apple-style-span">Standing Committee on Improvements Implementation meeting held on </span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thursday, 04 June 2015<span style="color:black">: <a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-sci-04jun15-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-sci-04jun15-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></span></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On page:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#jun"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#jun</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Attendees:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Anne Aikman Scalese – IPC – Primary - Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Wolf-Ulrich Knoben – ISPCP - Primary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Amr Elsadr – NCUC - Primary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Avri Doria – NCSG – Primary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Lori Schulman – IPC - Alternate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">ICANN Staff:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Julie Hedlund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mary Wong<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Kind regards,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></u><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">04 June 2015</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Dear all, welcome to the SCI call on the 4th June 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Lori Schulman:Where is the mute symbol?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Lori your mic isn't active<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Lori Schulman:good. I have a bad habit of not muting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:I can hear you Anne.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:Lost audio, one moment rejoining<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Lori Schulman:Am I still disqualified? Are there ever exceptions?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:is it the wish of anybody (eg council) that the resubmitted motion should benefit from the rule?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Rudi Vansnick:quid if motion content/context is changed ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-improvem-impl-sc/msg01201.html<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:sorry Anne, I overread it. It's now clear, thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:This is the language Mary suggested adding to 3.3.2: "Resubmitted motions made pursuant to Section 4.3.3 of these Operating Procedures after the Submission
Deadline must meet these requirements in addition to those detailed in Section 4.3.3 in order to be eligible for consideration by the GNSO Council under this Section 3.3.2."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Rudi Vansnick:what's the feeling of the councils in this ? in favor ?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Avri Doria:i think clarity was the issue. and the fact that some SCI members were unhappy with the way our last recommendation had left it. most were ok with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Avri Doria:put after it haad been poked at enough and after the SCI asked the council to please make this an issue we could work on, we did.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:Yes, per what Amr is saying - first question is whether 10-day waiver rule can/should apply to resubmitted motions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Rudi Vansnick:if the 10-day waiver is applied, a resubmitted motion could indefinitely be resubmitted ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:@Mary, I thought that is the wish, so it should happen??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Rudi Vansnick:thanks Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Anne, that works too - Chair's call :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: I don't think the 10-day waiver rule affects how many times a motion may be resubmitted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Julie Hedlund:@Amr and Rudi: I think whether a motion can be resubmitted is governed by the rules in 4.3.3.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:@Anne: Correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Julie.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:Yes, a fresh start<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:For some reason, I seem to be the only one who thinks we did actually talk a great deal about this. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Avri Doria:Amr, you did talk about it a lot. But there weren't any great discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Rudi Vansnick:@Mary: +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Avri Doria:thee were one or two people who kept bringing it up , but the discussion never stuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:Greg engaged in this discussion quite a bit. Discussions took place both on-list and on calls, if I recall correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Amr, that's right - there was discussion but people seemed to have different ideas about what the agreed conclusion was.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:@Anne: I'm sorry, could you clarify your concern again. Not sure I got it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Rudi Vansnick:perhaps we are now in a state where we need to finalize the direction
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Avri Doria:i'm ambivalent on this issue.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:staff should draft<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Avri Doria:i dont mind allowing them to draft, i am not sure about asking them to draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Lori Schulman:There is no harm in starting drafting. We are not approving anything.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Julie Hedlund:@Anne: That is correct. The next meeting is in Buenos Aires.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Lori Schulman:I agree with Mary's point that a draft would be a starting point only and a good thing to react o.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Lori Schulman:yes. agree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Julie Hedlund:@Anne: It is the 20th early in the morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:The usual "happy" hour :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Rudi Vansnick:at 7am ? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:@Mary: Happy hour isn't supposed to be all about coffee!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:Saturday 7:45<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Julie Hedlund:@Wolf-Ulright I think that's correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:GNSO starts at 9:00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:Am I not getting through?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Terri Agnew:@Amr your audio is cutting out<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:The way I see it, both the request and the explanation should be provided.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Amr, staff will send you something to review before sending to the list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:@Mary: I'll dig up what I came up with and fwd it to you as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:Gerat, thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:BTW..., I won't be in BA, but will participate in the SCI meeting remotely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:@Amr, so it's confirmed you can't come? :(<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:Have personal stuff I need to sort out at that time. Sorry I won't be there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Rudi Vansnick:thanks Anne for chairing this meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Mary Wong:Sorry we won't see you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Julie Hedlund:@Anne: Mary and I are drafting some slides.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Julie Hedlund:We will send them to you to review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Anne and all. Bye.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:Thanks Anne and bye to all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Anne Aikman-Scalese - IPC member:Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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