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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Dear SCI members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Based on Rudi’s suggestion that we explore the topic of amendments to motions on the list, &nbsp;I am offering a few thoughts:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">When addressing a proposed amendment to a motion, it may be that the first question should be whether Councilors feel they can vote on the amendment
 at the meeting where the motion is being considered, or must table the motion until Councilors are able to consult with their constituencies and stakeholder groups.&nbsp; There is a custom for being able to delay a motion by one meeting and this may be a good place
 to use it – at the discretion of the Chair of the Council.&nbsp; Could this sort of discussion occur without the need for a vote?&nbsp; In other words, could the amended Operating Procedure call for&nbsp; discussion and then the Chair would have discretion as to whether
 or not to delay the voting on the amendment?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">My view is that the maker of the motion should have some say as to&nbsp; whether or not the&nbsp; motion will be amended before voting.&nbsp; If he or she says “no”
 to the proposed amendment, then it seems to me it is up to the person requesting the amendment&nbsp; to request that the motion be delayed to the next meeting – for purposes of further discussion and working out differences of opinion.&nbsp; Then the Chair has discretion
 to delay or not delay, based on custom and practice.&nbsp; Delaying the vote would allow for discussion among Councilors as to the desirability of the amendment, but of course may not always be possible given time constraints.&nbsp; It also seems, however, that if the
 Chair elects not to delay voting on the motion, then there should be a vote as to whether the motion should be amended or not prior to bringing it to a vote.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I believe that the current practice is that if the amendment is accepted by the motion maker, Council Chair checks with the seconder.&nbsp; If the seconder
 agrees, the motion goes forward to a vote as amended. If the seconder opposes the amendment, then Council votes on whether or not the amendment will be added to the motion.&nbsp; The question here is whether an amendment should in fact move forward based on a simple
 majority vote even if the seconder opposes.&nbsp; Thus, the alternatives seem to be <o:p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">(A) vote on the motion with amendment if simple majority carries amendment&nbsp; (current practice – will Councilors and staff please confirm?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">(B) vote on the motion without the amendment&nbsp; (party suggesting amendment may ask for delay in voting to next meeting)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">(C ) Chair delays the vote to give more time for resolution of disagreement and possible withdrawal of original motion with submission of amended motion
 prior to next meeting.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">(D) If Chair does not delay the vote, vote on whether or not the amendment should be made prior to bringing the motion to a vote.&nbsp; (But is this the same
 as A?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Some of the considerations:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Time to consult constituencies and stakeholders if needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Efficiency&nbsp; of Council business getting done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Whether or not the amendment should be allowed at the same meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Whether a party may choose to withhold a proposed amendment until the time of the Council meeting if Council Operating Procedures favor introducing
 it late. &nbsp;(“gaming” concerns)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">As usual, it’s a balancing act.&nbsp; In this regard, it may be useful in our next meeting in September to take up the example of the proposed Issues Report for
 the next round which was the subject of an amendment in the meeting in Argentina and run it through a hypothetical procedure that should apply to amendments to motions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">This is simply “food for thought” in August. &nbsp;Sorry if the above is confusing. &nbsp;Hopefully we will get some further discussion before our September call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Best wishes to all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">mailto:owner-gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Julie Hedlund<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 23, 2015 1:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org">gnso-improvem-impl-sc@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-improvem-impl-sc] For Discussion: Amendments to Motions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">On today's call the SCI began a discussion concerning whether the informal GNSO Council customs relating to amendments to motions should be incorporated in the
 GNSO Operating Procedures and, if so, in what form. &nbsp;For background on the issue, please see the attached Review Request. Here is a brief summary of the points raised in the discussion. &nbsp;I've included the relevant discussion from the Chat Room below and the
 transcript will be circulated separately. &nbsp;I would be grateful to those who were in the meeting to let me know whether there were any points I missed and whether there is additional information to inform this discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The GNSO Operating Procedures do not contain any guidance concerning amendments of any sort, or define &quot;friendly&quot; and &quot;unfriendly&quot;. &nbsp;There also is no guidance on seconding motions.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo7">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The current informal custom is that the person who proposes a motion decides whether an amendment is friendly or not. (See the attached Review Request for a full description of the current practice.)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo7">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Roberts Rules of Order treat amendments as neutral (neither friendly or unfriendly).<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo7">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">The current informal custom in the Council is that if an amendment is deemed unfriendly then a vote is held on the motion (threshold: simply majority).<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo7">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Voting on amendments is standard outside of the GNSO/ICANN community.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo7">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Timing of the submission of amendments has been problematic, sometimes not allowing time for consultation with constituencies and stakeholder groups.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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 whether the GNSO Operating&nbsp;Procedures should be revised to include specific procedures on amendments. &nbsp;Possible procedures to include could be:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Defining &quot;friendly&quot; and &quot;unfriendly&quot;;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo10">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">Lori Schulman:Are &quot;friendly&quot; and &quot;unfriendly&quot; defined in the GNSO procedures.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Julie Hedlund:@Lori: No, there is nothing in the Procedures addressing amendments of either kind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Lori Schulman:Without a definition, how do we delineate a procdure?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Julie Hedlund:@Lori: We would have to consider whether to incorporate a definition in the addition to the procedures.&nbsp;&nbsp;We could probably use Roberts Rules of Order as a guide.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;ken stubbs - afilias:15 years ago for me (joined council)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Amr Elsadr:@Avri: In BA, council also voted on whether to accept the amended language before voting on the motion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Avri Doria:under the tradion on the maker of the motion and seconder get to decide if it is friendly.&nbsp;&nbsp;rudi issue is the crix of the issue on friendly motions. who owns changing
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Lori Schulman:I tend to agree with Roberts.&nbsp;&nbsp;Amendments should be agnostic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Lori Schulman:neither friendly nor unfriendly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Mary Wong:The consequence of characterizing a proposed amendment as friendly or not is whether or not the Council will then first need to vote on the proposed amendment (whether
 to accept it)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Mary Wong:Again, it's Council custom - first vote on amendment if considered unfriendly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Mary Wong:Needs majority to add the amendment to the original motion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Julie Hedlund:@Avri: You mean we aren't in the real world ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Mary Wong:Yup just pointing out the consequence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Avri Doria:Julie, you tell me.&nbsp;&nbsp;I can't ever tell for sure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Angie Graves:I agree with Amr.&nbsp;&nbsp;Are we working against an agreed-upon definition of &quot;friendly&quot;?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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 it alone.&nbsp;&nbsp;now, after all these years i have grown accustomed to it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Amr Elsadr:@Angie: I think you're friendly. Does that count? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp;Amr Elsadr:@Lori: I only meant that if we work out and suggest codified rules, those will determine how friendly amendments may be submitted and accepted without us having
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