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<p style="background:white"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Please find the MP3 </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">recording of
the <span class="apple-style-span">Standing Committee on Improvements Implementation meeting held on </span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thursday, 17 September 2015:
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpssU5iiCknix1ril-2FmMjkdInZ-2FIoCDsXPfpU0g-2BD2mny7Q-3D-3D_nEX-2FaOijqgcJlSz5SkmueJu3tRbmaDiuX89gT35tStEeSHP9whdoceObpMxYsFLQddiMZpQjIv8dk6BsBGSJXH7VWN4SGLCJgbGKCk6E-2FTErjF4OKNQt65Dk9NF54IJ9kQpmDNySj7bbNz9G4dXi5BgbCZotTx8KNfyeB0z00f8KsMfETeTNKd7vy2kKI7tttQUIwid4NAhxXgT3nZYwmpHe-2BDUQCeddWRqLSlhih6vbNxkn5kruk6jpET-2BSKQveFBD9UbfOkqIZP4UAsqpANsk-2F4V7vc-2B9KDAHMbQGce7IpJExVIDRx8c7xfQ2stKwY7fYPoAuMc5sMus5xfqtfEEmrFtGVp-2Bf1fM-2FIKar37Ab22sLPN8hxpcuAB8zTRvWj8-2FJA-2B4PxUpsS3qaSLWw8sX7XE7-2BzPHTtr6QIR11T89hpRM-2BA6D8w-2FOKXlkuZD9IIay5mXoSXuijSo0TYDV4oyl0qbPz8leue8-2BDcCnw7z9LYLCf6cacyok-2BU06VjtQGL">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-sci-17sep15-en.mp3</a>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On page:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rudi Vansnick – NPOC
<span style="color:#1F497D">–</span> Primary – Vice Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jennifer Standiford – RrSG – Primary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Anne Aikman Scalese – IPC – Primary - Chair<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Julie Hedlund<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNoSpacing"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Marika Konings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Adobe Chat Transcript 17 September 2015<o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Standing Committee on Improvements Implementation on Thursday, 17 September 2015
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jennifer Standiford:HI Terri<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Terri Agnew:Welcome Jennifer!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jennifer Standiford:i will follow along for this meeing via chat - i am also on the UASG call at the same time.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Hi Terri and all. Apologies in advance for any background noise today.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Avri Doria:I will also be on two calls at once, also listeinign in to the UASG meeting.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Terri Agnew:Lori Schulman has joined audio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rudi Vansnick:and as i had never happened it is unreasonable to spend too much time in the SCI
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rudi Vansnick:and as it had ... sorry <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:I've always been a fan of consensus calls being done on-list, not on calls.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Perhaps a deadline to raise a lack of consensus?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:I think on most of the previous issues a call for consensus would go out on the mailing list - those objecting would be asked to express their view on the mailing list.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:I like Marika's suggestion. Will get the job done. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rudi Vansnick:which consensus does the council expect ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:for SCI issues it is full consensus<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rudi Vansnick:yes indeed Marika's proposal would most probably work for us
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:it doesn't specify how that is assessed<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Avri Doria:actually i think full consensus applies, which don't need to be affirmative about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:@Avri - that is also my understanding<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Avri Doria:i think Marika's suggest of no objections befor enext meeting is sufficinet.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Although full consensus is not necessary, no harm in getting it anyway. I believe we do have full consensus on this. We just need to go through the motions of a consensus call. I suggest doing this on list (using "passive"
consensus).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:No objections.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:@Anne - yes, that is correct<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:with regard to your question on current practice<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:As a reminder, the Council asked the SCI to: codify the existing customary practices of the GNSO Council (as described above).If the SCI believes that the current practices are inappropriate, the SCI should convey its
reasons for such belief to the Council and develop new processes to govern the seconding of motions and amendments to motions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:@Marika: regarding whether or not the current practices are appropriate, some on council are not very eager about the idea to change the current practices at all.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Not so sure about the seconder.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:As far as I recall, if a motion has been seconded, the seconder also would need to agree<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Technically, a new more agreeable seconder could be recruited to replace the first one during the council meeting. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:But since seconding motions is not in the GNSO OP at all..., it's all a little fuzzy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:@Amr, that is also within the request of the Council to the SCI. To clarify whether, how and by whom a properly submitted motion is to be seconded<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Yup.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:@Anne - I have my hand up. Not sure if you are seeing it.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Avri Doria:true but that has been a practice forever. since at least 2005<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:In BA, the council was asked to vote on the amendment to the motion before voting on the actual motion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Something we may wish to also consider.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:@Amr - that has also been the standing practice<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:in the case of an unfriendly motion<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Ah. Wasn't familiar with that one. Thanks Marika. ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:A Council member can ask for a deferral if they are of the view that the amendment needs to be further considered.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rudi Vansnick:agree with Amr <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:I found Mary's overview and I have posted that on the right side in the note pod<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:the only issue is when the motion has already been deferred once....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:To be clear, deferral of motions is not a tradition. It is in the OPs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:as no second deferral is allowed<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rudi Vansnick:does a second deferral could end up as a new motion entered<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: I was just thinking about that. After a deferral, what would happen if another amendment was suggested (at the second council meeting). :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Terri Agnew:Julie has disconnected from audio<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:I'm looking at the operating procedures, but cannot find it - I thought it was a clarification that was provided by the SCI and not a change to the operating procedures, but will keep on looking.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:I was actually unaware of the need of the chair to approve the deferral. Will have to refresh my memory. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rudi Vansnick:i remember it happened if i'm not wrong it was in Singapore
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:We have some homework. :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:I'll make a note of that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Yes..., thanks Anne. By codify, I meant suggest changes to the OPs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lori Schulman:How would we "document" Would be appropriate to ask for some kind of flow?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:The Council resolution also said: The GNSO Council suggests that in carrying out this task the SCI consult past GNSO Chairs and Councilors as well as commonly accepted guides and practices (such as Robert's Rules of
Order) and other ICANN bodies (such as the Board and other SO/ACs).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lori Schulman:I see Mary's doc but I wouldn't say its definitive.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:and Anne is correct, the Council request was based on the procedure as it was outlined by Mary (as the process to codify)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:it was part of the request that the Council voted on<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lori Schulman:Thank you Marika. I was not clear about that.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Hmm..., looking through the OPs now. Can't find the bit on deferral of motions. Will go through it more thoroughly offline.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rudi Vansnick:thanks Ann for this good meeting <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:It was a letter clariying, no change to ops procedures. I'll send it out shortly.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marika Konings:Thanks Anne<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lori Schulman:Thanks for clarifying tough topics Anee.<o:p></o:p></p>
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