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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Mike,<br>
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you are assuming that registrants should be beneficiaries of the
TDRP. They are not. Therefore a registrar not initiating a TDRP is
not blocking the registrants access as they do not have such an
access in the first place. <br>
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If you want to give the registrant a way to force a registrar to
initiate a proceeding against another registrar, that is another
story, but that way needs to include an obligation of the
registrant to pay the costs and a right of a registrar to charge
for this service (to cover the work needed to handle the process).<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
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i think the key distinction i want to draw is with your sentence
"give registrants access to" the TDRP. that's not the intent.
the intent is to ensure that registrants are not blocked from
that process by their registrar. the hope here is to provide an
appeal mechanism in those cases where registrar and registrant
disagree on whether a TDRP is warranted. but i'm fine setting the
bar for that appeal pretty high.
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<div>On Dec 2, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Volker Greimann <<a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I still feel that giving
registrants access to the TDRP process dilutes its
purpose as an inter-registrar dispute process designed
to deal with process violations and will turn it into a
transfer dispute process between registrants, dragging
registrars and registries into a civil conflict between
two parties. This will result in increased costs and
work for contracted parties.<br>
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If a registrar is violating transfer processes, there
will be sufficient incentive for affected registrars to
call them out and if necessary invoke the current
process.<br>
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What we need to look at instead is if creating an
alternate process between registrant and former
registrant regarding the ownership of a domain name
makes sense. <br>
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I am also a big fan of the line "He who wants to hear
the music should pay for the band!", i.e. if a
registrant wants a process to be invoked, he should be
prepared to pony up the fees, just as with the UDRP.
Adding a "loser pays" clause makes sense to me, but in
that case it will remain the risk of the complainant
that the respondent cannot pay/is unreachable/etc...<br>
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Volker<br>
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<p>Provide the ability for the registrant to trigger
the TDRP process in cases when they disagree with
their registrar over an IRTP issue </p>
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<p>In general, registrars initiate TDRP when they
can't resolve matters between themselves </p>
<p>In the case of disagreement between registrar
and registrant as to whether to initiate a TDRP,
provide a path for the registrant to take the
issue to Compliance </p>
<p>Build minimum documentation requirements for
registrants into the policy as a filter to
prevent frivolous filings </p>
<p>If Compliance agrees with registrant, TDRP
proceeds as normal, with fees paid by
registrars, as normal </p>
<p>If Compliance disagrees with registrant, that's
it -- it's off to court if the registrant wants
to proceed.</p>
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