<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I really agree with Mikey here. The issue we are facing is when a registrar does not take action over an improper transfer of a domain name - to the detriment of the registrant. What is being suggested here is to ensure that, when the registrant can establish an improper transfer that the relevant registrar must commence the TDRP action. And as Mikey suggests, the filter (to be sure of the bona fides of the registrant's case) is a requirement for documentation that ICANN can rule on. If there is a genuine case for the registrant, then the relevant registrar must initiate the TDRP. It doesn't stop being anything other than an inter-registrar process. It just ensures that the registrar cannot refuse to take action when a registrant's domain name has been wrongly transferred.<div><br></div><div>Holly<br><div><div>On 03/12/2013, at 6:33 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">i think the key distinction i want to draw is with your sentence "give registrants access to" the TDRP. that's not the intent. the intent is to ensure that registrants are not blocked from that process by their registrar. the hope here is to provide an appeal mechanism in those cases where registrar and registrant disagree on whether a TDRP is warranted. but i'm fine setting the bar for that appeal pretty high.<div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 2, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I still feel that giving registrants
access to the TDRP process dilutes its purpose as an
inter-registrar dispute process designed to deal with process
violations and will turn it into a transfer dispute process
between registrants, dragging registrars and registries into a
civil conflict between two parties. This will result in increased
costs and work for contracted parties.<br>
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If a registrar is violating transfer processes, there will be
sufficient incentive for affected registrars to call them out and
if necessary invoke the current process.<br>
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What we need to look at instead is if creating an alternate
process between registrant and former registrant regarding the
ownership of a domain name makes sense. <br>
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I am also a big fan of the line "He who wants to hear the music
should pay for the band!", i.e. if a registrant wants a process to
be invoked, he should be prepared to pony up the fees, just as
with the UDRP. Adding a "loser pays" clause makes sense to me, but
in that case it will remain the risk of the complainant that the
respondent cannot pay/is unreachable/etc...<br>
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process in cases when they disagree with their registrar over
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<li><p>In general, registrars initiate TDRP when they can't
resolve matters between themselves
</p><p>In the case of disagreement between registrar and
registrant as to whether to initiate a TDRP, provide a
path for the registrant to take the issue to Compliance
</p><p>Build minimum documentation requirements for registrants
into the policy as a filter to prevent frivolous filings
</p><p>If Compliance agrees with registrant, TDRP proceeds as
normal, with fees paid by registrars, as normal
</p><p>If Compliance disagrees with registrant, that's it --
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