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<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=Windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Dear All,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></p></div><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">The next Inter-Registrar Transfer Policy (IRTP) Part D Working Group meeting will be held on<b> Monday 20 January 2014.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Please find the MP3 recording for the IRTP Part D Working Group call held on Monday 13 January 2014 at 16:00 UTC at:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20140113-en.mp3" style="font-size: 15px;">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-irtp-d-20140113-en.mp3</a></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><font color="#0000ff"><u><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</a>jan</u></font><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><font color="#0000ff">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</font></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><u>Attendees:</u> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Graeme Bunton - RrSG</span></p></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Avri Doria – NCSG</span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Mikey O'Connor – ISPCP</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Barbara Knight – RySG</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Holly Raiche – ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Chris Chaplow – CBUC</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Rob Golding – RrSG</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Paul Diaz – RySG</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Bartlett Morgan – NCUC</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Kristina Dorrain – NAF</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Volker Greimann – RrSG</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 15px;"> </span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><u>Apologies:</u><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">James Bladel - RrSG</span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><br></span></p></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><u style="font-size: 15px;">ICANN staff:</u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Marika Konings</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Lars Hoffmann<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Caitlin Tubergen</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Berry Cobb</span></p></div></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Julia Charvolen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Mailing list archives:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/"><font color="#0000ff">http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/</font></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Wiki page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg"><font color="#0000ff">https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg</font></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;">Julia Charvolen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "><b><u style="font-size: 15px;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday 13 January 2014:</u></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; "></p><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Lars Hoffmann:Welcome to the IRTP Part D PDP Working Group on Monday 13 January 2014</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Volker Greimann:no audio bridge this time?</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Julia Charvolen:I am setting audio bridge, it should be on in a few minutes</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Julia Charvolen:Audio is on in the Adobe Connect</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):waves :)</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):& happy-new-year</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):it was 30+ at night when I was in Miami a few years ago - as a Brit i gelt i was melting into the pavement walking back to the hotel</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):we are used to weather - the cold, wet, windy miserable type - i.e. 'proper' weather :)</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Volker Greimann:we have not dropped below 0 C the last ew days either. pretty warm here</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Graeme Bunton:i'm here, but i've been on vacation for three weeks so I can barely remember what i do</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Graeme Bunton:thank you mikey</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Avri Doria:for some people, like the local garbage people, thoday is a holiday.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Julia Charvolen:Chris Chaplow joined the Adobe Connect</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Barbara Knight-RySG:Hello all. I just joined. Sorry to be late.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Julia Charvolen:Barbara Knight joined the Adobe Connect</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Avri Doria:my only issue is wording such as 'final disdiscussion'</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):did we 'finalise' the question b issue over multiple transfers ?</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Lars Hoffmann:@rob: no not yet. it was one of the issue that was still part of the workplan.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):ok</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Marika Konings:It might be helpful for this WG to work out those use cases so it will be easier to identify whether or not these are covered under the implementation of IRTP Part C</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):agreed about the no to registrant starting it</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Lars Hoffmann:Current Statut of Limitation:</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Lars Hoffmann:2.3 Statute of LimitationsA dispute must be filed no later than six (6) months after the alleged violation of the Transfer Policy. In the case where a Registrar of Record alleges that a transfer was in violation of this Policy, the date the transfer was completed shall be deemed the date in which the "alleged violation" took place. In the case where a Gaining Registrar alleges that a transfer should have taken place, the date in which the NACK (as defined below) was received by the Registry, shall be deemed the date in which the "alleged violation" took place.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):yes, I tend to reg and renew in 5 year periods, but log in to my registrar accounts relatively regularlyso would see the domain as missing</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Volker Greimann:sorry, whare are we right now?</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Volker Greimann:ok, thx</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):TDRP is for registrars to resolve disputes, not registrants</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):i.e. we 'nak'd' this transfer request but you processed it anyway type complaints</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):yes, it does work for that (its the only time in umpteen years we've ever had to think about it</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):everything else has cenetered around registranst and admin contacts disagreeing over transfers or designers holding domains to ransom or similar</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):shoudl possibly be *original* registrar of record and *initial* gaining registrar</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Kristine Dorrain:Not ususally.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Avri Doria:that is proabably a national variant.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Rob Golding (Astutium-1471):Not in the UK - caveat emptor - if the car is stolen no matter how many times it's changed hands, it goes back to the original owner and the peopel in the middle have to go to the courts</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Kristine Dorrain:Same in the US. Caveat emptor here too</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Holly Raiche:Yes, I was talking about the good faith principle - purchased in good faith.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Holly Raiche:It may be that the courts would recognise ICANN rules on the isue but something to consider</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Kristine Dorrain:a multi country survey of a single legal issue is a pretty big task...</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Marika Konings:and not cheap ;-)</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Chris Chaplow:Thanks Lars</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Lars Hoffmann:I have to leave the call. Marika will remain on the call however. Very best, Lars</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Avri Doria:in the US such laws will vary by locality and state. Confiscaation is big in these parts.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Avri Doria:and argumentes such as, but you should have checked.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Avri Doria:if it was possible to check ND YOU DID NOT CHECK, THEN TOUGH.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Volker Greimann:how far down the line do you have to check?</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Avri Doria:sorry about the caps. cap lock is a mistypeed a.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Avri Doria:Volker, depends on the quality of the lawters arguing the case after the fact.</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Holly Raiche:That is question D</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Julia Charvolen:Thank you</div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> Graeme Bunton:thx mikey</div><div style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><br></div><p style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>