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at:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-20140908-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-20140908-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</span>sep</a><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span 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</span></u></b><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>08 September 2014:<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Dear all, Welcome to the GNSO New gTLDs Subsequent Rounds Discussion Group on the 08th September 2014<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tobias Sattler:Hi there<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Welcome Tobias<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:Waiting to get on bridge.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:@Alan, I have alerted the operator<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:Good morning everyone. We'll get started in just another minute or so.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:Only been 2 minutes - not bad as these things go.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michelle Sara King--FairWinds Partners:I am waiting to get on a phone bridfe too<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michelle Sara King--FairWinds Partners:been waiting for a few minutes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann:Good afternoon<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michelle Sara King--FairWinds Partners:oops phone bridge. It's only been a few minutes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jeff Neuman (Neustar):me 2<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:Now 4 minutes...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Iliya Bazlyankov:hi All. Joining the call, but no operatiors available.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:On now. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Apologies for the delay on audio. Operator has been alerted <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michelle Sara King--FairWinds Partners:I'm on now as well.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michelle Sara King--FairWinds Partners:Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jeff Neuman (Neustar):Stephanie and I from Neustar are on<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Payne Valideus:Bret you keep cutting out<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tobias Sattler:yes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Payne Valideus:yes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Iliya Bazlyankov:on now<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jeff Neuman (Neustar):Do we have a consolidated list of those issues?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:Yes, 3+ weeks really needed due to summer vacations and such.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:Alan, I have you in the queue.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:If you are in Adobe and want to be recognized to speak, please "raise your hand"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:the following have joined after roll call: Christopher Niemi, JF Vanden Eynde, Lucie Loos, Stuart Fuller, Jeffrey Eckhaus, Tony Holmes, Jason dignes, Mason Cole and Anthony Harris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:William Ellis has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:It is actually Karen Lentz and her colleagues in GDD that are working on that (see <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg16606.html">http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg16606.html</a> for further details)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Payne Valideus:Steve please can you make sure it doesn't conflict with the NTAG meeting on Weds (time also tbc)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Tijani Ben Jemaa has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Steve Chan:Susan, can you please let me know what the expected time of that meeting is going to be<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Payne Valideus:I will check - not sure I have that yet<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Steve Chan:Please note though that we are aware that there should be no conflict with the NTAG meeting<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:i favor a remidial round just for the developing economies that were left out of the last round. I have not written this up to submit yet, but will.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann:I would like to see more applicants from other regions, however the same standards will need to apply. Otherwise location shopping will increase<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:Volker, no one has said anything else (I think).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:Since the AGB did a horrible job in its interpretation of theose 19 points, they need to be rewritten to make clear.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Thomas Lowenhaupt:Volker, do you have suggestions how to achieve this and avoid the location shopping?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> william ellis:does anyone have a link to the 19 policy points? thanks <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann:I think the application fees should go down in general, making appliacations more affordable for anyone. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann:Porer regions would also be able to leverage lower employment costs for their staff<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann:Poorer<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Steve Chan:William, I've added the 19 points to the Wiki<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Steve Chan:Also included are the Principles and Implementation Guidelines<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann:The applicant support program would also have to be reviewed<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> william ellis:thanks steve<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Steve Chan:And here is a link to Final Report itself: <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.htm#_Toc43798015">http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.htm#_Toc43798015</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Sam Lanfranco:When ICANN grants a gTLD it is selling a property with a future ICANN revenue stream. A cost recovery formula should include consideration of the future revenue stream and not just the application process costs. ICANN should not amortize its own gTLD investment costs up front on the backs of applicants. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Trang Nguyen has joined audio<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Thomas Lowenhaupt:Steve, can you share that mind map?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Glen de Saint Gery:Trang is staff, don't know if you know<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Thomas Lowenhaupt:Tks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann:@Sam: That might invite applicants for high risk applications, where they may never see a dime. If ICANN prepays the costs for applications, this would follow<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:hard to speak to a mindmap we have not seen, but the idea is good.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Liz Williams has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Sam Lanfranco:@Volker: There is some middle group between the two extremes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Alan Greenberg:Not clear it should be ICANN that is investing venture capital into new TLDs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Sam Lanfranco:@Alan: ICANN is "investing" in its own future revenue stream as well.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Payne Valideus:thanks everyone<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:Alan a good use for auction 'income'?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tobias Sattler:Thanks everyone<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Avri Doria:bye all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tobias Sattler:bye<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> william ellis:thanks all, bye<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>